Reche Caldwell and Keenan McCardell: 2008 Plans?

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Those guys all sound like more #2 and #3 receivers to me. We already have plenty of those.

Among many other things, this team needs a knockout punch at wideout -- a true star, a playmaker you can always count on in the clutch. Even Santana Moss doesn't fit that label.

Beemnseven, I agree that the team needs anohter WR but there is not much out there as far as playmakers that are available and I would hate to see the Skins trade any more picks. Plus in my opinion the Redskins need to get a stud defensive end in the draft in the worst way - opposing qb's are getting to much time and Phillip Daniels is getting too old so we should not trade the first round pick for anyone.

Does anyone know who the good wideouts coming out of college are that are available rounds 2 and down assuming we take a defensive end with the first pick?

[Cowell]

It's hard to say whether I am pleased with our receivers. Sometimes they play great sometimes you have to wonder. I really think that Reche Caldwell and Keenan McCardell were great pickups. If McCardell wants I think he has another 1-2 years left in the tank. As for Reche, when he is thrown to he catches it, which is what we need here obviously. He probably won't ask for a big contract so I would try to lock him up for another couple years. I also believe that that Mix kid could be a factor. He is just too big not to be.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Bernard Berrian, Patrick Crayton, Bryant Johnson, maybe Matt Jones. Those are the first names that come to mind

If Crayton walks from Dallas (i.e. Jerry Jones lets him get away), he could blossom into an absolute superstar here.

[Bill B]

[quote=Mattyk72;388111]I really started thinking yesterday that we need to go out this offseason and get a big time WR in here.

Sorry, but Moss just isn't a go to guy you can count on game in and game out. We need a true star at WR, a guy that Campbell can grow with and have that special chemistry with. Right now we have a bunch of #2 and #3 WRs.

We do have a go to guy at TE in Cooley, but we need a go to guy at WR to really make this offense dangerous.

Put me on the WR bandwagon for this offseason.

Does anyone know what free agents will be available?[/quote]

Andre Johnson of the Houston Texans is a free agent this offseason (we seem to like the Miami thing and Johnson is a flat out stud). Only thing is I don't we have the cap room flexilibity with all the impending things with both sides of the line getting old and Andre Johnson will probably be getting somewhere in the range of a $10 million bonus.

[sportscurmudgeon]

I happen to think that WR is one of the biggest weaknesses on the 2007 version of the Washington Redskins. Allow me to explain:

Brandon Lloyd is worthless. If the Redskins cut him the day after the season is over, he'll be sitting by his telephone waiting for it to ring for at least 6 weeks - - and even then it won't be an NFL GM calling, it will probably be a telemarketing call.

Antwaan Randle-El is a punt/kick returner and a #3 reciever. That's it; that's all. As soon as he got hurt and McCardell and Caldwell got more playing time, the passing game got more efficient. Yes, ARE gives the Skins the ability to run a gadget play once or twice a month but his meager productivity on the field in normal play situations doesn't make that worth it. By the way,on those gadget plays this year, ARE has 19 yards passing and a net of minus-3 yards rushing. Glad the team has that potential in its arsenal...

Santana Moss is fun to watch - - if you like 8-10 yard catches and his herky-jerky first down signal. The problem is that even though WRs are ranked on the basis of number of catches, that's not what makes the really good ones really good. There's this thing called "scoring touchdowns". At the moment, Moss has been in the end zone ONCE this year. Since he's been here he's played in 40 games and has 16 TDs. That's about 6.4 TDs per year. And that's not good enough for the "lead receiver" on a team that wants to be a "contender" for something other than taking a Caribbean cruise during the month of January. And don't anyone rhapsodize about how Moss caught those two bombs from Brunell a couple of years ago to beat Dallas. That's ancient history and there have been boatloads of games since then where the Skins could have used a big catch by a big time WR to win a game. He hasn't provided it...

James Thrash is the team's most versatile receiver and the most rounded player of the lot. He actually blocks people on every running play and usually the block is an effective one. There is no way you can say that about Moss or Lloyd or ARE. But Thrash is a #3 receiver at best. When he was in Philly and tried to assume the role of lead receiver he was a bust. He tries hard on every play, but his skills are limited. Nonetheless, of all the WRs on this team, he leads the team in TDs this year with TWO. And this is December ... Scary...

McCardell and Caldwell are better all around receivers than anything else on the roster at the moment unless you want to fantasize about the untapped and about-to-explode potential contained in Anthony Mix, Stephen Harris, Jimmy Farris, Mike Espy and Burl Toler.

The Redskins should definitely keep McCardell and Caldwell next year AND look for more talent at this position.

[theJBexperience]

[quote=Bill B;388123]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I really started thinking yesterday that we need to go out this offseason and get a big time WR in here.

Sorry, but Moss just isn't a go to guy you can count on game in and game out. We need a true star at WR, a guy that Campbell can grow with and have that special chemistry with. Right now we have a bunch of #2 and #3 WRs.

We do have a go to guy at TE in Cooley, but we need a go to guy at WR to really make this offense dangerous.

Put me on the WR bandwagon for this offseason.

Does anyone know what free agents will be available?[/quote]

Andre Johnson of the Houston Texans is a free agent this offseason (we seem to like the Miami thing and Johnson is a flat out stud). Only thing is I don't we have the cap room flexilibity with all the impending things with both sides of the line getting old and Andre Johnson will probably be getting somewhere in the range of a $10 million bonus.

Johnson is a free agent? I'd go after him. He's big and has been getting better each year. I'd think he'd stay in Houston though. He and schaub have a good thing going.

[SC Skins Fan]

[quote=theJBexperience;388198]

Originally Posted by Bill B

Johnson is a free agent? I'd go after him. He's big and has been getting better each year. I'd think he'd stay in Houston though. He and schaub have a good thing going.

Johnson is a stud, and the sort of player the Redskins need. I'm fairly certain, however, that he is not a Free Agent. This is his fifth season in the league and since high first round picks typically sign for 6-7 years he's almost certainly got time left on his contract. Houston won't let him get away either.

[Bill B]

[quote=SC Skins Fan;388205]

Originally Posted by theJBexperience

Johnson is a stud, and the sort of player the Redskins need. I'm fairly certain, however, that he is not a Free Agent. This is his fifth season in the league and since high first round picks typically sign for 6-7 years he's almost certainly got time left on his contract. Houston won't let him get away either.

SC Skins fan - you are correct - my bad - Andre Johnson's contract expires next year and he will be a free agent in 2009. I got mixed up with Andre Davis of the Texans being a free agent this offseason.

You are right about Houston not letting him go - the Skins would have to throw the bank at him to get him and I just don't think we have the cap flexibility to sign him for what he probably will get from either Houton or a team with a lot more cap room than us. Plus Houton could use the franchise tag on Johnson as well if negotiations go sour between the two parties.

[NYCSkin]

What about Randy Moss? I'm putting him out there and I'm sure many will question picking him up. But the fact is he is having an outstanding season and compared to anyone we could possible get--he is a bonafide superstar Pro Bowl #1. Thoughts?

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by NYCSkin

What about Randy Moss? I'm putting him out there and I'm sure many will question picking him up. But the fact is he is having an outstanding season and compared to anyone we could possible get--he is a bonafide superstar Pro Bowl #1. Thoughts?

I thought about this too. It would be no surprise if Moss & his agent look to get him $20 mil guaranteed. I think if the Pats win the super bowl, they will be less likely to pay him big $.

I would hate to see the Danny reverting to his old tricks overpaying for an aging star. If he could be had for a reasonable amount that'd be cool, but I think the price will be too high.

Wouldn't be surprised if Minn. made a pitch for him to come back.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

The Patriots always seem to have a never-ending money flow. He'll come back there again.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

The Patriots always seem to have a never-ending money flow. He'll come back there again.

Funny, that's what people say about us!

I don't think WR is a #1 priority this offseason.. I think in Saunders offense, with our WR corp (assuming Caldwell and McCardell or Thrash is kept around) and Cooley, we have enough playmakers to compete week in/week out. Berrian, Crayton, Jones, Johnson are just guys, nothing special.. Unless we can somehow get an elite (A. Johnson, Wayne, etc.) WR then we should focus elsewhere.

[MTK]

The Bengals would probably be willing to part with Chad Johnson for the right price.

Just saying.

[SC Skins Fan]

I watch Berrian whenever I get the chance and he seems to get open a lot, and then Rex Grossman throws some awful pass. He's probably not a bonafide #1 and maybe too inconsistent to really be a game changer. He's sort of the deep guy in Chicago (I'd have to watch more of him to make a more educated assessment). He might be too much like Moss (though taller 6-1) too be worth the money. I know SmootSmack was pimping him a couple of weeks ago and I've tried to take a look at him on the ticket when I've had the chance and he just looks like a real good player who is held back by horrible QB play. I think he may have had issues with dropped balls in the past so again, there are probably some downsides that I haven't gotten the opportunity to see.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I watch Berrian whenever I get the chance and he seems to get open a lot, and then Rex Grossman throws some awful pass. He's probably not a bonafide #1 and maybe too inconsistent to really be a game changer. He's sort of the deep guy in Chicago (I'd have to watch more of him to make a more educated assessment). He might be too much like Moss (though taller 6-1) too be worth the money. I know SmootSmack was pimping him a couple of weeks ago and I've tried to take a look at him on the ticket when I've had the chance and he just looks like a real good player who is held back by horrible QB play. I think he may have had issues with dropped balls in the past so again, there are probably some downsides that I haven't gotten the opportunity to see.

I do like Berrian, but I think if we commit to Caldwell he can be as effective as Berrian.