Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?

[Schneed10]

I do want to make sure I'm being fair to Gibbs. He's had to deal with some ridiculous injuries. Jansen and Thomas are the biggest, IMO. They're absolutely huge. With those two guys playing, I'll bet we have enough of a run game in the 2nd half to win at least two of those games in which we saw a collapse. So that explains some of it.

That said, the game management and the 2nd half adjustments have not been good. Without Jansen and Thomas, knowing our running game isn't great, we should be adjusting strategy. And since he's team president as well, he's responsible for finding depth that can fill in adequately. You have to do one of two things, either acquire the depth necessary in the offseasons to keep running the ball in the 2nd half when your star linemen get hurt, or shift your strategy. If you can't succeed at either one, then you're failing. Hence 5-7.

[NinjaLink]

Has anyone ever thought that it isn't entirely Gibbs fault. I mean, who turns over the ball constantly in the final quarters of EVERY game??? The players!!! lol.

[skinsfan69]

if this was anyone else we'd all be calling for his head. i love gibbs to death but enough is enough. i hope he retires. it's almost getting painful to watch. he's just not a good nfl coach anymore. sometimes the truth hurts.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

if this was anyone else we'd all be calling for his head. i love gibbs to death but enough is enough. i hope he retires. he's just not a good nfl coach anymore. sometimes the truth hurts.

I think the biggest problem is that no one can pinpoint what exactly he does. I mean he says he doesn't call the plays on offense, other than 4th down decisions. Yet people are on his case all the time about playcalling. He has input on defense and special teams but it's more of a consultancy role.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think the biggest problem is that no one can pinpoint what exactly he does. I mean he says he doesn't call the plays on offense, other than 4th down decisions. Yet people are on his case all the time about playcalling. He has input on defense and special teams but it's more of a consultancy role.

Here is where he does or could have input. Sending in that silly ass jumbo package that never ever works on the goaline or in the redzone. None of the guys on the field are a threat to score except Cooley and the RB. As the head coach, and a man who was king, I mean king of halftime adjustments and innovative offense, he should change it up and try something else. There is no excuse for that. Bringing in all the heavy guys is just bunching up everything and the line can't create any holes. Yet he still sends it in, or even worse allows it to be sent in. That's just dumb ass coaching. If I could pin point one area where he has failed this is it. It has costed us games this year and he has not made any adjustments at all.

[MTRedskinsFan]

Prisco makes the understatement that if it weren't for his name our head coach would be on the firing line. That's retarded IMO - if our head coach were anyone BUT Gibbs his ass would be long gone, and that's true not only w/ Danny boy but probably with any team owner in the league. Over his second stint Gibbs has lost 18 games in which he led at halftime, which is 7 more than any other coach in the league. Big money acquisitions have come up bust about half the time, putting the organization in salary cap hell. But more than anything, it's the week to week issues that have been simply appalling, from playcalling that even the half-interested announcers easily predict to dumbfounding clock-management and now ignorance of basic rules.

Gibbs, IMO, knows he would be gone if it weren't for special treatment and that fact more than anything else bothers him (as it would for anyone with strong character, which he has). So here's the big question I ask myself: will Gibbs ultimately accept his failure in this second tour and leave football behind forever OR will he redouble his efforts, sharpen his wits, and learn what it takes to be successful today (rather than what it took before salaries mattered)? I don't think there is an in-between for Gibbs. If he returns after this year we'll see a much sharper tack and probably a much better football team. If he doesn't return than all bets are off for Redskins football in '08; could be better, could be worse (though not by much).

[saden1]

We do have quite a number of issues (salary cap, quality depth, play calling, clock management, etc) but nothing is un-fixable...and last time I checked this team was in the playoffs in 2005 with the same bunch of people (less Saunders). The real issue we seem to be having this year is with injuries, which can be addressed by keeping more of our draft picks.

I don't buy the notion that this team needs to clean house. This team has talent, they just need to get it together and I still have faith in Gibbs.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by saden1

We do have quite a number of issues (salary cap, quality depth, play calling, clock management, etc) but nothing is un-fixable...and last time I checked this team was in the playoffs in 2005 with the same bunch of people (less Saunders). The real issue we seem to be having this year is with injuries, which can be addressed by keeping more of our draft picks.

I don't buy the notion that this team needs to clean house. This team has talent, they just need to get it together and I still have faith in Gibbs.

That pretty well sums up my feelings, though I'd add "failure to execute called plays". Nicely done saden (notice how I didn't capitalize )

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by saden1

We do have quite a number of issues (salary cap, quality depth, play calling, clock management, etc) but nothing is un-fixable...and last time I checked this team was in the playoffs in 2005 with the same bunch of people (less Saunders). The real issue we seem to be having this year is with injuries, which can be addressed by keeping more of our draft picks.

I don't buy the notion that this team needs to clean house. This team has talent, they just need to get it together and I still have faith in Gibbs.

The O-line is getting old. How many more years can we keep this group together? The wr position has to be addressed. AGAIN. Although we are faster on defense we still do not have any playmakers on the front 7. We need someone coming off the edge. I like Daniels but he just can't rush the passer. At all. And the secondary is a mess. Springs is hurt again and he probably isn't going to be here next year. And replacing Taylor is really going to be hard. He was the one player that opposing offenses feared.

We may not need a total house cleaning, but we might need a mini one.

[twinskinsfan]

Man, I thought this was done for the year, please no more Gibbs must go threads.

[redsk1]

I'm an old school Joe Gibbs fan but i do think we need to move in a different direction although if JG wants to coach next year, so be it.

I've heard alot of excuses for JG over the last 4 years, but the fact is he hasn't gotten it done in a mediocre NFC. Talk all you want about the injuries and any other excuse but it hasn't worked. Maybe someone can do some homework, but how many games have we lost due to conservative play down the stretch...trying to run out the clock...playing conservative w/ a lead? I would take a guess and say 5 or 6 minimum in the last 2 years.

If JG's wants one more crack at it next year I'm ok w/ it, but I don't know that next year will be much different. It really hasn't changed much over the last 4 years and that's pretty sad.

My 2 cents is GW. That guy has got a pair and wants to win. He most likely won't leave the game in the hands of the defense every week. Al Saunders...he hasn't been calling plays much at all here and especially not in crunch time.

[Vulta121]

I'm so tired of hearing this B.S.. There is absolutely no way that Joe Gibbs should be fired or even quit. We are not that good, but we are better than when we were before he got here. Joe probably isn't going to come back after next season anyway. Let him go on his own terms. He is the Joe Pa. and Bobby Bowden of the skins. He deserves to stay as long as he wants. He is not as interactive as other head coaches, the coordinators run there unit. So it really doesn't matter anyway. I love Coach Gibbs and I know any true skins fan does too, leave him alone he is a hof and a legend.

[70Chip]

Does everyone understand that at some point we have to hold the players accountable for how they play? Perhaps part of the reason they keep making the same mistakes is that all the heat is focused on Gibbs and they continually skate. The game is played on the field. Gibbs has made some mistakes, but the players have made a lot more. Those guys have it pretty sweet it seems to me. They get paid millions, deliver nothing, and Coach Gibbs shoulders all the scrutiny. The ass clowns will be lined up around the block again this off-season hoping for a contract to play for the Washington Redskins - the easiest gig in football.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Does everyone understand that at some point we have to hold the players accountable for how they play? Perhaps part of the reason they keep making the same mistakes is that all the heat is focused on Gibbs and they continually skate. The game is played on the field. Gibbs has made some mistakes, but the players have made a lot more. Those guys have it pretty sweet it seems to me. They get paid millions, deliver nothing, and Coach Gibbs shoulders all the scrutiny. The ass clowns will be lined up around the block again this off-season hoping for a contract to play for the Washington Redskins - the easiest gig in football.

I heart you

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I heart you

Right back at you slick. (And by the way, I love me some channel 208)