Peter King on Zorn Hire

[QBall]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Very true.

But if Zorn works out and we win consistently, the media won't have much of a leg to stand on... until he has to make another coaching decision that is.

Well Zorn has three guaranteed years on his contract so lets hope he stays well after that. Think this guy brings the right energy and positive attitude and not reason why we're not a top playoff team this year. Sounds like they are gearing up for a big draft and free agency period which should be interesting.

I hear Zorn is going to call his own plays which I also really like.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I am basically convinced that most media and a lot of fans will never ever look at something Snyder does and think it was done right when it comes to footbal. I am just so tired of all the complaining and bashing. I don't even care what PK says because I just wont read it. I am just done with the negativism. I am not defending DS but in the end he is obviously damned is does and damned if he doesn't on just about everything.

What if he had hired GW as head coach? Or hired a GM to handle business more effectively and fired Vinny C? I cant stand negativism either, but he brings it on himself.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

What if he had hired GW as head coach? Or hired a GM to handle business more effectively and fired Vinny C? I cant stand negativism either, but he brings it on himself.

Again I didn't disagree but can you actually envision what he could have done that would have made just about everyone say "Gee that is the smart move to make?".

Hirign GW maybe but eventually we all have to ask ourselves why was this guy who is so obsessed with winning(even though he has sucked at it) so turned off by a guy who appears a shoe in for the job. Maybe, just maybe GW wasn't really the right guy for the job. Maybe it was obvious to those who actually know what is going on that it was a disaster waiting to happen.

I am just saying that nowadays most of the criticism towards DS is just criticism for the sake of criticism and usually has little to do with reality and mostly to do with bias and specualtion.

Wheteher he brought it on himself is irrelevant anyways.

[redwagonskins]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Again I didn't disagree but can you actually envision what he could have done that would have made just about everyone say "Gee that is the smart move to make?".

Hirign GW maybe but eventually we all have to ask ourselves why was this guy who is so obsessed with winning(even though he has sucked at it) so turned off by a guy who appears a shoe in for the job. Maybe, just maybe GW wasn't really the right guy for the job. Maybe it was obvious to those who actually know what is going on that it was a disaster waiting to happen.

I am just saying that nowadays most of the criticism towards DS is just criticism for the sake of criticism and usually has little to do with reality and mostly to do with bias and specualtion.

Wheteher he brought it on himself is irrelevant anyways.

Well, nearly 81% of the people on this site approve of the hiring which should be reflected on the decision making of DS and VC so that has to make you feel good

[70Chip]

I think this decision was largely driven by Cerrato. I don't think the backlash by the fans did Fassel in. If Snyder wanted to please the fans, he would have made GW the coach.

There's a scene in Oliver Stone's "Nixon" where James Woods, playing Bob Haldeman, says to John Erlichman, played by J.D. Walsh, "You know we're next, don't you?" Nixon had just fired his close friend John Mitchell. Well, Vinny is next. If this season goes in the crapper, Vinny has to get wacked. So the wheel of progress moves forward, however slowly.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

I think this decision was largely driven by Cerrato. I don't think the backlash by the fans did Fassel in. If Snyder wanted to please the fans, he would have made GW the coach.

There's a scene in Oliver Stone's "Nixon" where James Woods, playing Bob Haldeman, says to John Erlichman, played by J.D. Walsh, "You know we're next, don't you?" Nixon had just fired his close friend John Mitchell. Well, Vinny is next. If this season goes in the crapper, Vinny has to get wacked. So the wheel of progress moves forward, however slowly.

I think you make a good point about the fans and GW. If he wanted to acquiesce maybe he would have just hired Gregg. I also think you're probably right about the Zorn hire being a highly influenced by Vinny. As to the last part of the post, we will see, but I just can't see it happening (Vinny getting whacked that is). Hopefully it doesn't come to that since it will mean bad results on the field.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

I think this decision was largely driven by Cerrato. I don't think the backlash by the fans did Fassel in. If Snyder wanted to please the fans, he would have made GW the coach.

There's a scene in Oliver Stone's "Nixon" where James Woods, playing Bob Haldeman, says to John Erlichman, played by J.D. Walsh, "You know we're next, don't you?" Nixon had just fired his close friend John Mitchell. Well, Vinny is next. If this season goes in the crapper, Vinny has to get wacked. So the wheel of progress moves forward, however slowly.

You are pretty much dead on.

Maybe a year or two off on VC though.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You are pretty much dead on.

Maybe a year or two off on VC though.

If he let's Vinny hang around calling the shots while the team struggles badly for 3 years, he'll find out what a negative fan reaction looks like. I hope Vinny turns out to be a genius. But, I suspect he's not and would like to see the day when Snyder finally breaks down, gives in and turns over the decision making process to a real life, NFL football person. And I would like to see it in my lifetime or at least my son's lifetime. Getting rid of Vincenzo is an important step in that process. In that sense, I'm glad it's his ass on the line now.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I am basically convinced that most media and a lot of fans will never ever look at something Snyder does and think it was done right when it comes to footbal. I am just so tired of all the complaining and bashing. I don't even care what PK says because I just wont read it. I am just done with the negativism. I am not defending DS but in the end he is obviously damned is does and damned if he doesn't on just about everything.

So you don't think Snyder deserves what he gets,I mean after all the work Joe Gibbs did in setting the Skins up to go on without him Snyder just threw it away,like it or not it's a slap at Joe Gibbs.Anything the press has to say about Snyder ........he earned.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Giantone

So you don't think Snyder deserves what he gets,I mean after all the work Joe Gibbs did in setting the Skins up to go on without him Snyder just threw it away,like it or not it's a slap at Joe Gibbs.Anything the press has to say about Snyder ........he earned.

A lot of it is not deserved. Plenty is based on media and fans speculating and jumping to conclusions, and making idiotic blanket statements like "No Gregg Williams means there is no continuity at all."

This is not to say Snyder is a saint. But few people ever consider that there are at least two sides to all stories. Snyder made a decision severaly years back to drastically curtail (and eliminate completely during the season) his contact with the media, because of the perception that he was too involved in the team. And now that philosophy has come back to bite him because all that's really portrayed is one side of the story.

[QBall]

Originally Posted by Giantone

So you don't think Snyder deserves what he gets,I mean after all the work Joe Gibbs did in setting the Skins up to go on without him Snyder just threw it away,like it or not it's a slap at Joe Gibbs.Anything the press has to say about Snyder ........he earned.

What are you talking about? Just not true at all.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I am basically convinced that most media and a lot of fans will never ever look at something Snyder does and think it was done right when it comes to footbal. I am just so tired of all the complaining and bashing. I don't even care what PK says because I just wont read it. I am just done with the negativism. I am not defending DS but in the end he is obviously damned is does and damned if he doesn't on just about everything.

Just spoke with Mr Snyder this morning and asked him about his mental state after such an exhausting search for his successor to Joe Gibbs. He reiterated that it had been one of the most difficult of times for him, and as a result he had come to the conclusion the next time he's faced with the challenge his MO is going to be vastly different.

He's going to invite all the media types form the various networks to his home, HAVE THEM present him with a list of names who they feel comfortable with being the next HC of the Redskins. Once all parties are comfortable with the list of candidates, they will return to their respective networks, conduct a poll and whatever candidate emerges as leader from the poll results he will name his next HC. But wait, there's a catch!!...............They will also have to pay him.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Just spoke with Mr Snyder this morning and asked him about his mental state after such an exhausting search for his successor to Joe Gibbs. He reiterated that it had been one of the most difficult of times for him, and as a result he had come to the conclusion the next time he's faced with the challenge his MO is going to be vastly different.

He's going to invite all the media types form the various networks to his home, HAVE THEM present him with a list of names who they feel comfortable with being the next HC of the Redskins. Once all parties are comfortable with the list of candidates, they will return to their respective networks, conduct a poll and whatever candidate emerges as leader from the poll results he will name his next HC. But wait, there's a catch!!...............They will also have to pay him.

Let's be more specific than just throwing out the term "media" and saying they are universally out to get Snyder (poor Dan). Even the King piece, which inspired this thread, wasn't vitrolic (as was much fan response to Fassel, underservedly so in my opinion) he was simply stating - in his opinion as a commentator and columnist - a better option existed which would have had an experienced coach on top with Jim Zorn running the offense. I tend to agree with that sentiment, but now we're moving forward. Wilbon was unconditionally laudatory of the move and last I checked he qualified as a "media type". I think much media coverage deserves criticism (take for instance all the 'horse race' coverage of the primaries), but not everyone in the "media" represents some scary force with some maniacle agenda.

washingtonpost.com

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I am basically convinced that most media and a lot of fans will never ever look at something Snyder does and think it was done right when it comes to footbal. I am just so tired of all the complaining and bashing. I don't even care what PK says because I just wont read it. I am just done with the negativism. I am not defending DS but in the end he is obviously damned is does and damned if he doesn't on just about everything.

Please answer these three questions, honestly, in regards to Dan Snyder and his love fest with Vinny Cerrato ...

1. Is this franchise in better shape than it was in 2000 when Snyder bought the team?

2. Has this team been a consistent winner since 2000?

3. What exactly have we won since 2000?

Please take the glasses off before answering.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by PennSkinsFan

Please answer these three questions, honestly, in regards to Dan Snyder and his love fest with Vinny Cerrato ...

1. Is this franchise in better shape than it was in 2000 when Snyder bought the team?

2. Has this team been a consistent winner since 2000?

3. What exactly have we won since 2000?

Please take the glasses off before answering.

I'm w/ you but alot on this board back DS and VC like they've actually accomplished alot in DC. What it really boils down to is, when is the last time that we won the NFC East? Won a Championship Game? Been to a Championship Game? SB? 11 games? Consistent Winner?

I'm all for patience. The last 8 or so years w/ VC has caused me to lose my patience. Get a guy in here that can run a football organization and let VC go.

I don't know about you guys but there was a time that we were among the NFL's elite franchises. Now, really we're in the bottom tier and not going anywhere soon. I'm really not satisfied being mediocre anymore.