Greg Blache stands up to Cerrato and Synder...

[MTK]

I can see people being ticked if Snyderato was signing guys against the coaches' wishes, but that's simply not the case.

Move along folks, nothing to see here. Take the drama somewhere else.

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I can see people being ticked if Snyderato was signing guys against the coaches' wishes, but that's simply not the case.

Move along folks, nothing to see here. Take the drama somewhere else.

what about signing assistant coachs against the coachs wishes?!?! oh wait we didnt have a coach yet that could complain, my bad

lol, just kidding, not trying to cause trouble just making a joke

[SmootSmack]

Anyone who really thinks Snyder and Cerrato don't listen to what coaches want should recall the Spurrier years. You can bet it wasn't either of them who were clamoring for Jacquez Green and Shane Matthews.

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Anyone who really thinks Snyder and Cerrato don't listen to what coaches want should recall the Spurrier years. You can bet it wasn't either of them who were clamoring for Jacquez Green and Shane Matthews.

haha, Taylor Jacobs too...

man I forgot about shane matthews.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

haha, Taylor Jacobs too...

man I forgot about shane matthews.

Me too I rather not remember that time ever.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Anyone who really thinks Snyder and Cerrato don't listen to what coaches want should recall the Spurrier years. You can bet it wasn't either of them who were clamoring for Jacquez Green and Shane Matthews.

exactly Smoot, I made this point a few times in the last couple of weeks when we were discussing the coaching decisions.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Anyone who really thinks Snyder and Cerrato don't listen to what coaches want should recall the Spurrier years. You can bet it wasn't either of them who were clamoring for Jacquez Green and Shane Matthews.

So which coach was it that clamored for drafting Patrick Ramsey first?

Just asking...

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

So which coach was it that clamored for drafting Patrick Ramsey first?

Just asking...

This was a Spurrier project. Ramsey was supposed to be QB of the future. Cannon arm, smart (dual major from Tulane), tough. Fumble-prone Tony Banks was our QB in 2001. Wuerffel & Matthews were brought in to help "coach Ramsey up" in the "pitch & catch". (I hope I never hear those terms associated with the Skins in any way, shape, or form)

[sportscurmudgeon]

SmootSmack:

OK, I understand that you don't want to get your self tarnished as a "Danny Boy Hater" on the internet. It could come back to haunt you in your career. If anyone wants to do this, they need to do this with cover. Nevertheless...

"Someone" in the Skins organization thought Patrick Ramsey was the guy to pick as the first pick the Skins had in the draft that one particular and fateful year. Let me be clear about this: Patrick Ramesy was a better pick than Jon Benet Ramsey - - but not by a whole lot. Patrick Ramsey is a great back-up QB if all you need is a guy to start 2 or 3 games while your real QB recovers from a minor injury. In addition...

"Someone" in the Skins organization also thought that Jeff George was a good idea as a QB here. When Norv Turner refused to play that sorry sack-o-sh*t, Norv lost his job. The interim coach, Terry Robiske, "made his own decision" to start George at QB and the Skins didn't exactly run the table for the rest of that season.

The next year, Marty Schottenheimer could not abide by Jeff George's refusal to run the offense that the team had set for itself, so Marty cut George in mid-season. Since that day, Jeff George has not taken a snap in the NFL.

So, who was the "Someone" responsible for inflicting Jeff George on the Redskins and Redskins' fans?

Danny Boy
Vinnie
My Cousin Vinnie
My Three Sons
Three Dog Night
Snoop Dog
Underdog
Doggy Dooty
Augie Doggie
Doggie Daddy

You make the call...

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

SmootSmack:

OK, I understand that you don't want to get your self tarnished as a "Danny Boy Hater" on the internet. It could come back to haunt you in your career. If anyone wants to do this, they need to do this with cover. Nevertheless...

"Someone" in the Skins organization thought Patrick Ramsey was the guy to pick as the first pick the Skins had in the draft that one particular and fateful year. Let me be clear about this: Patrick Ramesy was a better pick than Jon Benet Ramsey - - but not by a whole lot. Patrick Ramsey is a great back-up QB if all you need is a guy to start 2 or 3 games while your real QB recovers from a minor injury. In addition...

"Someone" in the Skins organization also thought that Jeff George was a good idea as a QB here. When Norv Turner refused to play that sorry sack-o-sh*t, Norv lost his job. The interim coach, Terry Robiske, "made his own decision" to start George at QB and the Skins didn't exactly run the table for the rest of that season.

The next year, Marty Schottenheimer could not abide by Jeff George's refusal to run the offense that the team had set for itself, so Marty cut George in mid-season. Since that day, Jeff George has not taken a snap in the NFL.

So, who was the "Someone" responsible for inflicting Jeff George on the Redskins and Redskins' fans?

Danny Boy
Vinnie
My Cousin Vinnie
My Three Sons
Three Dog Night
Snoop Dog
Underdog
Doggy Dooty
Augie Doggie
Doggie Daddy

You make the call...

Mudgy Boy, I know you don't want to tarnish your reputation as a bitter, cranky, depressed, pessimistic complainer.

I never said Snyder was flawless. Of course, he's made mistakes. Most were years ago. But that's neither here nor there. All I said was that the notion that he never listens to the coaches is an extremely idiotic thing to say. I would think that you're smart enough to realize that, but if you want to just limit your argument to Ramsey and George then I have greatly overestimated you and regret having led a campaign here to have your sports blog named the best sports blog on the Web.

(apologies to everyone else, Mudge Pack has a way of bringing out the worst in me. His half-empty, break glass, use the shards to slice your wrists mentality tends to get to me)

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

"Someone" in the Skins organization thought Patrick Ramsey was the guy to pick as the first pick the Skins had in the draft that one particular and fateful year.

"Someone" in the Skins organization also thought that Jeff George was a good idea as a QB here. When Norv Turner refused to play that sorry sack-o-sh*t, Norv lost his job. The interim coach, Terry Robiske, "made his own decision" to start George at QB and the Skins didn't exactly run the table for the rest of that season.

The next year, Marty Schottenheimer could not abide by Jeff George's refusal to run the offense that the team had set for itself, so Marty cut George in mid-season.

So, who was the "Someone" responsible for inflicting Jeff George on the Redskins and Redskins' fans?

You make the call...

Your name is appropriate, you are pretty depressing....but the way I remember things didn't seem so bleak. So I did a little research to make sure I remembered the history correctly from 1999-2002.

The Skins were in pretty bad shape when Snyder bought the team and at the time he was no more than a rich fan. You ask who "Someone" is, for Ramsey & Spurrier it's Pepper Rodgers. And although he and Danny became close, Danny fired him. He is no longer here because his football judgement proved to be poor.

Pepper Rodgers Finally Gets Chance in NFL :: The Memphis Flyer :: Breaking News :: Breaking News

Snyder's major mistake in his tenure as owner was befriending and hiring Pepper Rodgers. Pepper Rodgers was the one infatuated with Spurrier and at the time who wasn't, Spurrier had tremendous sustained success for over 10 years with an innovative system that should've translated into NFL success (as long as it didn't interfere with the ol' Ball Coach's tee time). Rodgers was also responsible for Ramsey, but again he was the # 3 rated QB in the draft, so a lot of others got that one wrong too.

Redskins fire Schottenheimer

Obviously Spurrier didn't work out and Pepper Rodgers disappointment shows.

Georgia Tech Sports Blog: WOW - Strong words on Spurrier from Pepper Rodgers

Let's talk about "Never Nervous" Norval. Danny inherited him. He was not Danny's choice and certainly was not looked upon as a successful head coach. 49-59-1 is not a good record. Norv didn't get fired for not playing George, he got fired because he was taking the team nowhere fast. Marty also didn't get fired for releasing George.

I'm not sure who "Someone" was for Jeff George, probably Norv, but based on George's successful 1999 with the Vikes and the need for a solid back-up QB, bringing him in wasn't a terrible decision up front. I would argue that while Jeff George was not very good here, he only played seven games, was quickly identified to be a poor performer and let go (and Snyder didn't fire anyone over his release).

It's pretty fun to be negative and bash Danny, hell I'm jealous of the guy. He's 40 and a billionaire, owns the Skins, flys around in private jets, sits in the owner's box, hangs out with NFL players & coaches, skis & vacations all over the place & plays racquetball with Vinny. Why can't I be him? Has DS made mistakes, like all of us, absolutely. But his mistakes are those of action, not reaction or non-action. Snyder's only real major mistake was bringing in Pepper Rodgers. Any of the other mistakes he made were gambles that didn't really appear to be bad decisions up front. Snyder is a Redskins fan and wants more SB trophies. He's not afraid to try what he believes is necessary to make that happen. I've got no problem with him.

You can't logically argue the Redskins franchise is not in better shape now than it was when Danny bought the team. You also cannot argue that Danny has improved dramatically as an owner.

Maybe I should start my own blog? Probably not, it's better reading to trash people with generalized statements not based on actual facts or a close look at historical context.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

SmootSmack:

OK, I understand that you don't want to get your self tarnished as a "Danny Boy Hater" on the internet. It could come back to haunt you in your career. If anyone wants to do this, they need to do this with cover. Nevertheless...

"Someone" in the Skins organization thought Patrick Ramsey was the guy to pick as the first pick the Skins had in the draft that one particular and fateful year. Let me be clear about this: Patrick Ramesy was a better pick than Jon Benet Ramsey - - but not by a whole lot. Patrick Ramsey is a great back-up QB if all you need is a guy to start 2 or 3 games while your real QB recovers from a minor injury. In addition...

"Someone" in the Skins organization also thought that Jeff George was a good idea as a QB here. When Norv Turner refused to play that sorry sack-o-sh*t, Norv lost his job. The interim coach, Terry Robiske, "made his own decision" to start George at QB and the Skins didn't exactly run the table for the rest of that season.

The next year, Marty Schottenheimer could not abide by Jeff George's refusal to run the offense that the team had set for itself, so Marty cut George in mid-season. Since that day, Jeff George has not taken a snap in the NFL.

So, who was the "Someone" responsible for inflicting Jeff George on the Redskins and Redskins' fans?

Danny Boy
Vinnie
My Cousin Vinnie
My Three Sons
Three Dog Night
Snoop Dog
Underdog
Doggy Dooty
Augie Doggie
Doggie Daddy

You make the call...

Wow, did you dust off your history book of Snyder and go back to the begining. Its funny how people skip over the Gibbs error because if they didn't they would have to blame Gibbs for his bad decisions too. Time out, Time out!! Anyone.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Wow, did you dust off your history book of Snyder and go back to the begining. Its funny how people skip over the Gibbs error because if they didn't they would have to blame Gibbs for his bad decisions too. Time out, Time out!! Anyone.

"Gibbs error"

Freudian slip or intentional?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

"Gibbs error"

Freudian slip or intentional?

I'm not sure.

[Schneed10]

Yeah I see this as no big deal. As long as coaches are willing to speak up and say what they want, Danny and Vinny have shown that they'll listen. When we'd have a problem is if the coaching staff just kind of said "eh whatever" and took what Vinny gave them.

But there's no indication that is the case.