(Rumor) DE Jason Taylor Expected 2 Leave B4 Draft

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

good point he isn't coaching so there went that theory

Yeah, seriously. Bill Parcells doesn't have a scheme for the Dolphins. His scheme is to acquire players, not coordinate the defense or coach the team...

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Jason Taylor does not fit Parcell's 3-4 scheme. Taylor is strictly a 4-3 pass rush DE. Parcells like his DL to be run stoppers and occupy the offensive linemen so his LB's make the plays. Taylor is not built for that.

Wasn't he Defensive Player of the Year two years ago while playing in a hybrid 3-4 ... often as a stand up OLB? Maybe I'm wrong, don't follow the Fins particularly closely, but I'm pretty sure that is correct.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Wasn't he Defensive Player of the Year two years ago while playing in a hybrid 3-4 ... often as a stand up OLB? Maybe I'm wrong, don't follow the Fins particularly closely, but I'm pretty sure that is correct.

Yup

Saban has overhauled the defense, installing 3-4 packages that will feature three-time Pro Bowl defensive end Jason Taylor as a hybrid end-linebacker.

USATODAY.com - First-year coach Saban tackles rebuilding of Dolphins

[Meks]

i wouldnt want to give up picks for him.

[Dirtyskin21]

Originally Posted by Meks

i wouldnt want to give up picks for him.

exactlyyyyy

[Dirtbag59]

To the people who don't want to give up picks for him: Would you mind giving a second or a third round pick for a player that could average around 9 or 10 sacks a year for the next 3 or 4 years on top of allowing Carter to get an additional 1 or 2 sacks a year?

[Dirtyskin21]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

To the people who don't want to give up picks for him: Would you mind giving a second or a third round pick for a player that could average around 9 or 10 sacks a year for the next 3 or 4 years on top of allowing Carter to get an additional 1 or 2 sacks a year?

yeah, of course.. if it's automatic... but this isn't automatic.

He could very well come here and flop.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

To the people who don't want to give up picks for him: Would you mind giving a second or a third round pick for a player that could average around 9 or 10 sacks a year for the next 3 or 4 years on top of allowing Carter to get an additional 1 or 2 sacks a year?

Do you think that's what it would be?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

To the people who don't want to give up picks for him: Would you mind giving a second or a third round pick for a player that could average around 9 or 10 sacks a year for the next 3 or 4 years on top of allowing Carter to get an additional 1 or 2 sacks a year?

He's 33 years old. Jason Taylor is a great player, but it's highly unlikely he'll be racking up double digit sacks when he's 37. Trading first day picks for young, emerging players isn't a bad idea. Trading first day picks for 33 year old players is rarely, if ever, a good idea.

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

To the people who don't want to give up picks for him: Would you mind giving a second or a third round pick for a player that could average around 9 or 10 sacks a year for the next 3 or 4 years on top of allowing Carter to get an additional 1 or 2 sacks a year?

Or you could draft a guy to be good for the next 10 years. Maybe trading would work if we were one player away from the Super Bowl, but we're not. We need to build through the draft to replace our old and high priced players like Daniels, Griffin, Springs, Washington, etc.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

He's 33 years old. Jason Taylor is a great player, but it's highly unlikely he'll be racking up double digit sacks when he's 37. Trading first day picks for young, emerging players isn't a bad idea. Trading first day picks for 33 year old players is rarely, if ever, a good idea.

He is 33, yes, but he's not maintaining a 300 pound frame year round (or any part of the year for that matter). Most scouts consider him skinny (comparitively) which tells me that he has the perfect size for his frame. He's also capable of playing the left or right side. Also since becoming a full time starter he's missed one game, and that was back in 1999.

Michael Strahan is not nearly as durable as Taylor yet in the last two years he (Strahan) played 16 games he's gotten 11.5 and 9 sacks respectively. Remember Strahan is about 3 years older then Taylor. Taylor also keeps himself in great shape year round while Strahan contemplates retirement and his newly found bachlorhood.

I say that when you look at Taylor you see a 29 year old player. Not the 33 year old guy that he really is. 3 or 4 productive years for a second round pick is worth it to me.

I explained it a little better in my blog but this post is the jist of how I feel about a potential JT trade.

[SmootSmack]

Suppose what you're saying is true. Don't you think the Dolphins are going to say "Look at what some other D-linemen are getting. Regardless of their age, none have done even half of what Taylor has done in his career. We're going to need a couple of first day picks" Just a third round pick probably won't cut it.

[SmootSmack]

Also, I have a bad feeling Jason Taylor might have a Simeon Rice-esque fall

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Suppose what you're saying is true. Don't you think the Dolphins are going to say "Look at what some other D-linemen are getting. Regardless of their age, none have done even half of what Taylor has done in his career. We're going to need a couple of first day picks" Just a third round pick probably won't cut it.

Damn Smootsmack, you sure know how to crush a mans dream of having two double digit sack masters on his favorite team

I think you might be right about the asking for two draft picks scenario, however Jason Taylor contemplating retirement could make the Dolphins more then happy to accept a late 2nd round pick. The good news is that, if I remember correctly, Rogers and Stroud were dealt for no higher then a 3rd round pic and those two weren't neraly as unhappy as Taylor is with their respective teams.

If the Dolphins ask for two picks in the first 3 rounds in exchange for Tyalor then I draw the line. However that kind of player for a 2nd or 3rd is to tempting for me to pass up.

However if a trade does take place God forbid he gets injured, since that seems to be the main cause of Rice's recent fall from grace. Remember to knock on wood for the sake of warding off evil spirits as that seems to frighten them.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Dirtyskin21

yeah, of course.. if it's automatic... but this isn't automatic.

He could very well come here and flop.

I...I said could, don't put words in my mouth 21