Julius Peppers, now thats worth breaking the bank!

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Cooley1

It has been reported that the Denver Broncos are interested in the services of Peppers and are pursuing a possible trade with Carolina for this stud DE. I don’t know about any of you guys but to me there are a few players that I feel willing to give up the farm on, and he happens to be one of them.

I don’t like to start a post on, "oh lets grab this guy", but come on, Peppers and Carter on each end??? So, I just figured I would throw this out there since there doesn’t seem to be a whole bunch of news breaking right now, and see what you think.

Tell me what you think it would take, and do you think if these rumblings get over to Mr and Mrs. Snyderato, they would try and become a player. I would be willing to give up quite a bit to get him in maroon and black!

At 27 this boy has many years left in the tank. Here's the link.

Julius Peppers to Denver Broncos?

I don't know about many years left in the tank, but he would be worth at least a 4 year contract probably making Dwight Freeney money. To top it all of we would have to give up a high day 1 and a high day 2 pick. Honestly, after all of that I would rather have an offensive weapon like CJ. Our pass rush isn't that bad, but our passing game was woefull.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by angryssg

I don't know about many years left in the tank, but he would be worth at least a 4 year contract probably making Dwight Freeney money. To top it all of we would have to give up a high day 1 and a high day 2 pick. Honestly, after all of that I would rather have an offensive weapon like CJ. Our pass rush isn't that bad, but our passing game was woefull.

Freeney got a 6 year $72 million dollar contract with a $30 million signing bonus ... and a high day one pick is 1st or 2nd round (only two rounds on day one this year) and high day 2 is 3rd or 4th. I'm just clarifying the type of numbers you are throwing around when you make a statement like that.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Freeney got a 6 year $72 million dollar contract with a $30 million signing bonus ... and a high day one pick is 1st or 2nd round (only two rounds on day one this year) and high day 2 is 3rd or 4th. I'm just clarifying the type of numbers you are throwing around when you make a statement like that.

I didn't realize that the 1st day was only going to have rounds 1 and 2. I knew that they were making the time limit for picks shorter, but was unaware of the 3rd round moving to day 2.

[freddyg12]

wasn't he quoted last year saying something to the effect "I don't love football?"

I recall someone talking about it on espn radio.

[sbaughone]

If we learned anything from the vagiants it was good D linemen can win games. Do it Vinnie!

[Cooley1]

Originally Posted by sbaughone

If we learned anything from the vagiants it was good D linemen can win games. Do it Vinnie!

You are right and we haven’t had many good D-lines in the past 10 years and our success, or lack their of, shows that it isn’t a good recipe to being very productive making super bowl runs. We need pressure on the line, which will just make the rest of our D, which looks pretty good, even more successful.

I understand this is a pipe dream, but what else do we have going on right now?

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by sbaughone

If we learned anything from the vagiants it was good D linemen can win games. Do it Vinnie!

yes when they play a team w/a qb that's got a tender ankle & they continue to call 7 step drops & long patterns, rather than 3 & 5 step drops w/shorter routes.

good d linemen are a valuable commodity in short supply, but I'm not sure how much peppers is worth. If he wants to be the highest paid d player, I'd let him go to wherever he can get that kind of cash.

On a side note, it doesn't appear the broncos have changed their personel philosophy at all. They've shelled out some big deals for fa's & trades out there.

[dmek25]

this guy had his worse season as a pro last year, and wants a raise? i say pass

[Cooley1]

Originally Posted by dmek25

this guy had his worse season as a pro last year, and wants a raise? i say pass

The guy has one bad year on a really bad team and everyone wants to remove the talent level from the previous years in which we all could argue he was one of the most dominate forces in the game. Almost all great athletes have 1-2 bad years in them. At 27-28 this guy didn’t just forget how to play football, come on!

Also, it is to our advantage that he had a bad year as his stock, and contract negotiation powers have dropped slightly, otherwise Carolina wouldn’t be willing to deal him.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Cooley1

The guy has one bad year on a really bad team and everyone wants to remove the talent level from the previous years in which we all could argue he was one of the most dominate forces in the game. Almost all great athletes have 1-2 bad years in them. At 27-28 this guy didn’t just forget how to play football, come on!

Also, it is to our advantage that he had a bad year as his stock, and contract negotiation powers have dropped slightly, otherwise Carolina wouldn’t be willing to deal him.

He might need a change of scenery. But in order to trade for him we're going to have to give up our first round pick and maybe another pick on top of that one. Plus he's probably going to want a new deal. So I ask you is it worth it? I say it 's just too risky.

We've already tried to FA route for several years and it never really works. I like the appoach we're taking this year and I hope we keep it up in the future.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Cooley1

The guy has one bad year on a really bad team and everyone wants to remove the talent level from the previous years in which we all could argue he was one of the most dominate forces in the game. Almost all great athletes have 1-2 bad years in them. At 27-28 this guy didn’t just forget how to play football, come on!

Also, it is to our advantage that he had a bad year as his stock, and contract negotiation powers have dropped slightly, otherwise Carolina wouldn’t be willing to deal him.

Yet he apparently wants to be the highest paid defensive player in the league (or very close). As we all know by now, the problem with trading for players are that you end up with someone another team didn't want, presumably for some reason (I've heard some things about attitude and desire being an issue for Peppers in Carolina, but I'm not in the locker room); you give up picks that can turn into productive players (when the Skins trade picks people say 'why did they trade that pick', when they don't trade picks then we have threads saying 'why aren't they trading their picks'?); draft picks are cheaper than giving older players big contracts; if you miss on a 2nd round pick you can get rid of that player with pretty minimal cap implications, if you give Julius Peppers $30 million guaranteed and he doesn't work out you are in a bind.

Plus, just look at some 2nd and 3rd round picks in previous years. I know it is hard to fathom now that anyone outside of the top 10 on Mel Kiper's Big Board will ever be a productive player, but every year guys from these rounds turn into some of the better players in the NFL.


2006

• Demeco Ryans (2nd Round; 2006 DROY; 2007 Pro Bowl)
• Marcus McNeill (2nd Round)
• Greg Jennings (2nd Round)
• Maurice Jones-Drew (2nd Round)
• Brandon Marshall (4th Round; with one of Washington's picks)

2005

• Lofa Tatupu (2nd Round)
• Frank Gore (3rd Round)
• Justin Tuck (3rd Round)
• Marion Barber (4th Round)
• Brandon Jacobs (4th Round)
• Trent Cole (5th Round; with one of Washington's picks)

2004

• Karlos Dansby (2nd Round)
• Bob Sanders (2nd Round)
• Darnell Dockett (3rd Round)
• Bernard Berrian (3rd Round)
• Chris Cooley (3rd Round)
• Matt Schaub (3rd Round)
• Jared Allen (4th Round)
• D.J. Hackett (5th Round)

2003

• Rashean Mathis (2nd Round)
• Anquan Boldin (2nd Round)
• Osi Umenyiora (2nd Round)
• Lance Briggs (3rd Round)
• Jason Witten (3rd Round)
• Asante Samuel (4th Round)

Obviously there are often more hits than misses, but let's give the draft a chance rather than abandoning this strategy and throwing picks and tons of money at guys before we even try to build through the draft. Come on.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Yet he apparently wants to be the highest paid defensive player in the league (or very close). As we all know by now, the problem with trading for players are that you end up with someone another team didn't want, presumably for some reason (I've heard some things about attitude and desire being an issue for Peppers in Carolina, but I'm not in the locker room); you give up picks that can turn into productive players (when the Skins trade picks people say 'why did they trade that pick', when they don't trade picks then we have threads saying 'why aren't they trading their picks'?); draft picks are cheaper than giving older players big contracts; if you miss on a 2nd round pick you can get rid of that player with pretty minimal cap implications, if you give Julius Peppers $30 million guaranteed and he doesn't work out you are in a bind.

Plus, just look at some 2nd and 3rd round picks in previous years. I know it is hard to fathom now that anyone outside of the top 10 on Mel Kiper's Big Board will ever be a productive player, but every year guys from these rounds turn into some of the better players in the NFL.


2006

• Demeco Ryans (2nd Round; 2006 DROY; 2007 Pro Bowl)
• Marcus McNeill (2nd Round)
• Greg Jennings (2nd Round)
• Maurice Jones-Drew (2nd Round)
• Brandon Marshall (4th Round; with one of Washington's picks)

2005

• Lofa Tatupu (2nd Round)
• Frank Gore (3rd Round)
• Justin Tuck (3rd Round)
• Marion Barber (4th Round)
• Brandon Jacobs (4th Round)
• Trent Cole (5th Round; with one of Washington's picks)

2004

• Karlos Dansby (2nd Round)
• Bob Sanders (2nd Round)
• Darnell Dockett (3rd Round)
• Bernard Berrian (3rd Round)
• Chris Cooley (3rd Round)
• Matt Schaub (3rd Round)
• Jared Allen (4th Round)
• D.J. Hackett (5th Round)

2003

• Rashean Mathis (2nd Round)
• Anquan Boldin (2nd Round)
• Osi Umenyiora (2nd Round)
• Lance Briggs (3rd Round)
• Jason Witten (3rd Round)
• Asante Samuel (4th Round)

Obviously there are often more hits than misses, but let's give the draft a chance rather than abandoning this strategy and throwing picks and tons of money at guys before we even try to build through the draft. Come on.

Brandon Marshall looks like he's on the cusp of becoming a superstar. Reminds me of a young TO w/out the drama. I'd sure like to have him wearing b&g.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Cooley1

The guy has one bad year on a really bad team and everyone wants to remove the talent level from the previous years in which we all could argue he was one of the most dominate forces in the game. Almost all great athletes have 1-2 bad years in them. At 27-28 this guy didn’t just forget how to play football, come on!

Also, it is to our advantage that he had a bad year as his stock, and contract negotiation powers have dropped slightly, otherwise Carolina wouldn’t be willing to deal him.

Well your basing this thread of one bad report who said he saw Peppers at a basketball game in Denver.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Cooley1

The guy has one bad year on a really bad team and everyone wants to remove the talent level from the previous years in which we all could argue he was one of the most dominate forces in the game. Almost all great athletes have 1-2 bad years in them. At 27-28 this guy didn’t just forget how to play football, come on!

Also, it is to our advantage that he had a bad year as his stock, and contract negotiation powers have dropped slightly, otherwise Carolina wouldn’t be willing to deal him.

football is unlike any sport. the older you get, you will reach the pinnacle of your individual success. i think Peppers has already peaked. it has been forever since the skins had a dominate pass rusher. so i understand your enthusiasm. but don't get blinded. he is definitely looking to get paid. and he has sustained his talent level, why is Carolina willing to trade him? i say no( again)

[Dirtyskin21]

Originally Posted by dmek25

football is unlike any sport. the older you get, you will reach the pinnacle of your individual success. i think Peppers has already peaked. it has been forever since the skins had a dominate pass rusher. so i understand your enthusiasm. but don't get blinded. he is definitely looking to get paid. and he has sustained his talent level, why is Carolina willing to trade him? i say no( again)

I ask the same thing.. Peppers was the talk of carolina just 2 years ago and they were talking about signing him to a HUGE deal and then all of a sudden this?? there is something behind this, and only the panthers and peppers know. They are looking to get something in return, for someone who either has a injury problem, or doesnt have the motor or explosiveness like he used to because of SOMETHING. I dont know what? but it's obvious.

You dont see the Colts trying to trade away freeney afte rhis injury last year, it just doesnt make sense and smells fishy. I wouldnt touch him with the cowboys dick.

It's a nice thought, but we are better off (financially and draft wise) because, JAred Allen was picked up in the 5th round.. If we give away our picks all the time we are never going to have a chance to land someone like him.