Owners Vote to Opt Out of Labor Agreement

[MrJL]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I smell a sequel coming on,maybe this time they'll be allowed to film at FedEX instead of Ravens Stadium.

Snyder needs to get that Washington Arena team off the ground then he could have some ready.

[skinsfan69]

In the end the owners always have the advantage. They're already rich. Eventually the players will have to cave in to the owners demands.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

In the end the owners always have the advantage. They're already rich. Eventually the players will have to cave in to the owners demands.

That may not be such a bad thing. I may not understand all of this stuff completely, but I like how things were in the 80's. Good teams were able to keep their good players and not lose them to free agency. I realize it's not fair to the smaller market teams, but honestly, if the Redskins happen to have a dynasty team on the horizon and things are made easier for them to keep these players paid and happy, then I'm all for a change.

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

In the end the owners always have the advantage. They're already rich. Eventually the players will have to cave in to the owners demands.

Not all the owners are cleaning up. A lot of the owners are raking in cash but their expenses (cost of buying a team they couldnt afford, their part of the stadium bond, etc.) are huge and their expenses are as much as they take in. Some teams like Pgh are not big revenue generators but their expenses are low. I think a lot of what we see NFL owners doing is smoke & mirrors.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by irish

Not all the owners are cleaning up. A lot of the owners are raking in cash but their expenses (cost of buying a team they couldnt afford, their part of the stadium bond, etc.) are huge and their expenses are as much as they take in. Some teams like Pgh are not big revenue generators but their expenses are low. I think a lot of what we see NFL owners doing is smoke & mirrors.

I do not think you need to feel sorry for the NFL owners. Even if their team is in one of the few markets that is not making huge money, the value of the teams and property grows daily.
Here is an example of an NFL owner that did not have enough cash flow as you talk about:
Norman Braman in 1985 purchased the very talented Philadelphia Eagles football team for $65 million, borrowing most of the $65 million.
Braman kept the team for 9 years , he was cash poor so he invested very little money in the team, but managed to pay himself a salary of $6 million a year from team money.
In just nine short years later (1994) Braman sold the team to Jeffrey Lurie for $184 million. So Braman paid himself $54 million in salary those nine years, invested very little of his own money to upgrade the team and still managed to make an additional $119 million on the sale of the Eagles.

So now Jeffrey Lurie who bought the Eagles in 1994 for $184 million, can now sell the team for at least $883 million, which is what is currently worth/valued recently.

I do not think you need to feel sorry for the owners.

[riggins44]

The real losers in this deal is the fans. Can you imagine spending a fall with no Redskins?
I lost interest in baseball years ago due to all the labor problems. True, the owners and players are all making some serious $$. Without us the fans they don't have an audience to market to.

Hopefully they can negotiate a new deal.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by riggins44

The real losers in this deal is the fans. Can you imagine spending a fall with no Redskins?
I lost interest in baseball years ago due to all the labor problems. True, the owners and players are all making some serious $$. Without us the fans they don't have an audience to market to.

Hopefully they can negotiate a new deal.

I agree with you 100% about the fans but at the earliest you have 3 seasons till it happens.

[Defensewins]

They really need to go to a incentive based pay system. Pay the players a decent guaranteed base salary, but then add a strong incentive based pay system. So guy that has a banner year will get big bucks. A player that sucks gets his base pay only. This makes a lot of sense for the unproven rookies.
I am tired of seeing a contract like #1 pick Jake Long's rookie contract. How is that Jake Long immediately becomes the highest paid offensive lineman in the NFL and he has never take a snap in the NFL? This guy can end up being another Robert Gallery. Good but not great.

[JankySpanky80]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

They really need to go to a incentive based pay system. Pay the players a decent guaranteed base salary, but then add a strong incentive based pay system. So guy that has a banner year will get big bucks. A player that sucks gets his base pay only. This makes a lot of sense for the unproven rookies.
I am tired of seeing a contract like #1 pick Jake Long's rookie contract. How is that Jake Long immediately becomes the highest paid offensive lineman in the NFL and he has never take a snap in the NFL? This guy can end up being another Robert Gallery. Good but not great.

I agree with you all the way. Did you guys see the absurd amount of money that Matt Ryan got. To make that much money and to not be proven. Its sick.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by JankySpanky80

I agree with you all the way. Did you guys see the absurd amount of money that Matt Ryan got. To make that much money and to not be proven. Its sick.

Just heard it on the radio and nearly fell out of my chair. Insane.

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

They really need to go to a incentive based pay system. Pay the players a decent guaranteed base salary, but then add a strong incentive based pay system. So guy that has a banner year will get big bucks. A player that sucks gets his base pay only. This makes a lot of sense for the unproven rookies.
I am tired of seeing a contract like #1 pick Jake Long's rookie contract. How is that Jake Long immediately becomes the highest paid offensive lineman in the NFL and he has never take a snap in the NFL? This guy can end up being another Robert Gallery. Good but not great.

But what happens to guys like Thomas and Jansen last year? You got hurt playing so no money? Or a guy that wants to remain with a coaching staff or city he likes but he'll only catch 90 passes there. Team B throws every down so he'll get 120 receptions but have no shot at playoffs and not be involved in the community because he is only there for a check.
I completely agree with a rookie cap where players are slotted and each get a 2 or 3 year deal to prove themselves. If you eliminate the outrageous rookie contracts, then most everyone else in the NFL will be paid based on what they've done.

[MrJL]

Originally Posted by rypper11

But what happens to guys like Thomas and Jansen last year? You got hurt playing so no money? Or a guy that wants to remain with a coaching staff or city he likes but he'll only catch 90 passes there. Team B throws every down so he'll get 120 receptions but have no shot at playoffs and not be involved in the community because he is only there for a check.
I completely agree with a rookie cap where players are slotted and each get a 2 or 3 year deal to prove themselves. If you eliminate the outrageous rookie contracts, then most everyone else in the NFL will be paid based on what they've done.

I think one of the things the league should do with a lower base pay, is that for rookies at least they should pay for an insurance policy for the player if he suffers a major injury.

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by MrJL

I think one of the things the league should do with a lower base pay, is that for rookies at least they should pay for an insurance policy for the player if he suffers a major injury.

Great idea. That would have protected Bo Jackson but not given Ryan Leaf a bunch of money.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by rypper11

But what happens to guys like Thomas and Jansen last year? You got hurt playing so no money? Or a guy that wants to remain with a coaching staff or city he likes but he'll only catch 90 passes there. Team B throws every down so he'll get 120 receptions but have no shot at playoffs and not be involved in the community because he is only there for a check.
I completely agree with a rookie cap where players are slotted and each get a 2 or 3 year deal to prove themselves. If you eliminate the outrageous rookie contracts, then most everyone else in the NFL will be paid based on what they've done.

He would still get his guaranteed base pay. However you can throw in injury clause that can pay him based on his previous years performance, but not qual to or more than he would get if he played the entire season. He is not going to get the wear and tear of playing the season so he should not get big money.
Plus you can add injury incentives, like extra money for attending all of his rehab training sessions and following all of his doctors recommendations to get healthy. Incentive money for helping coach and prepare his replacement. He can get extra money for attending all of the games, cheering on his fellow teammates;staying in town during the rest of the season and working out. You see where am I going?

[Defensewins]

I think it makes the solid but modestly paid veterans sick to their stomachs. Where is the loyalty? The system makes the owners have to pay players based on potential and not on proven talent.