Early Cut list, or Please Get Off My Team

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I would have to disagree -- there's potential, and then there's results. So far, Billy McMullen has produced results in the form of getting open and catching passes, while Anthony Mix has produced exactly nothing.

Someone will have to show me where Mix is such a great special teamer, because I haven't seen it.

Well, as for results, McMullen has done fine against scrubs in preseason. Unlike Mix, however, McMullen has had opportunities to start in the regular season and has failed at his previous stops. Additionally, his previous failures were on receiver hungry teams - Philadelphia and Minnesota - so it's not like he was the victim of a numbers game. Finally, his success in Zorn's offense up to this point is due in part to the fact that he is familiar with the WCO (even he admits this). Based on all this, I think McMullen will have to do more than "play well" against second teamers to impress. For him, that has to be the bare minimum. Given his history, McMullen needs to play well against starters and dominate the second teamers.

As for Mix, I think the buzz is gone for him. It doesn't seem that he has impressed the coaching staff too much. Unlike McMullen who has a history of failure and needed to overcome it, Mix has no history. As such, at this point in his career, Mix has needed to step up, show that he has finally made the adjustment to the pro game, and "play well" against the scrubs. He hasn't done that. I am thinking his hype was just the latest warpath man crush.

Right now, I wouldn't be surprised if neither made the final cut.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I think McMullen looks way ahead of others at WR right now. Granted he is getting open against scrubs but at least he is getting open.

I'd love to see McMullen make it as the last WR. Mix has bruised ribs now, and McMullen has looked better thus far. At this point I'd say he's definitely the front-runner to be the last WR to make the 53-man. He's relatively local being a UVA guy too. I'm pulling for him. Plus he's an Eagles cast-off so I'd like to see him contribute just to rub it in.

[Boston Brave]

I would like to see McMullen and Mason get some reps with the 1st team next week, maybe second possession.

[T.O.Killa]

I am kinda of suprised, that people are so down on Tryon and Torrence. The Bills only had 173 yards passing and both of them played the whole game. Both of them are going to make the team. Corners are going to get beat. Byron Westbrook will probably make the team, also. I think that they are going to keep six db's and four saftey's(Landry, Doughty, Moore, and Fox or Horton. Thats why they are using Springs at saftey so they only have to keep four saftey's, thats my theory.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I am kinda of suprised, that people are so down on Tryon and Torrence. The Bills only had 173 yards passing and both of them played the whole game. Both of them are going to make the team. Corners are going to get beat. Byron Westbrook will probably make the team, also. I think that they are going to keep six db's and four saftey's(Landry, Doughty, Moore, and Fox or Horton. Thats why they are using Springs at saftey so they only have to keep four saftey's, thats my theory.

Sure, all corners are going to be beaten. One of the things you look for is who they're matching up against, and who beats them. Leigh Torrence is particularly troubling. This is a third-year veteran who was actually called upon in the regular season last year. So he's not just training camp fodder. He was beaten by a rookie second round pick for a touchdown last night.

Some might say, 'no big deal, it happens to everybody.' But that's a play Torrence has to win. I suppose I'm willing to give Tryon more of a pass because he's just out of college.

Bottom line is that the guys competing for the nickel corner position so far haven't done much to make a case for themselves.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Sure, all corners are going to be beaten. One of the things you look for is who they're matching up against, and who beats them. Leigh Torrence is particularly troubling. This is a third-year veteran who was actually called upon in the regular season last year. So he's not just training camp fodder. He was beaten by a rookie second round pick for a touchdown last night.

Some might say, 'no big deal, it happens to everybody.' But that's a play Torrence has to win. I suppose I'm willing to give Tryon more of a pass because he's just out of college.

Bottom line is that the guys competing for the nickel corner position so far haven't done much to make a case for themselves.

On the play in question, Torrence had the coverage exactly where you teach it. Hardy has a height advantage on him, but more accurately, Losman's throw was just perfect to the inch. That pass could not have been defended without significant interference.

Tryon looked horrible at times yesterday, but he also did some good things too.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

On the play in question, Torrence had the coverage exactly where you teach it. Hardy has a height advantage on him, but more accurately, Losman's throw was just perfect to the inch. That pass could not have been defended without significant interference.

Tryon looked horrible at times yesterday, but he also did some good things too.

I agree on the Torrence play, it was just good execution by the Bills.

Tryon has been rough but it's to be expected from a rook.

[HateNMyEyez]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I am kinda of suprised, that people are so down on Tryon and Torrence. The Bills only had 173 yards passing and both of them played the whole game. Both of them are going to make the team. Corners are going to get beat. Byron Westbrook will probably make the team, also. I think that they are going to keep six db's and four saftey's(Landry, Doughty, Moore, and Fox or Horton. Thats why they are using Springs at saftey so they only have to keep four saftey's, thats my theory.

i agree with you. there are young and will get beat, but they did a decent job

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Boston Brave

I would like to see McMullen and Mason get some reps with the 1st team next week, maybe second possession.

I agree. The big arguement with Mason is he is running against scrubs..which is true..But if someone has talent they have talent..and eventhough its preseason. He is leading the league. Would like to see what looks like after moe RBs have two games under his belt. Even with that. His stats have looked good and he made some good rusn to run out the clock last game nad made some good runs the HOF game also.

I think McMullen is making the team because of this experieince in the WCO and I think he is better than Mix and the rest of the WRs. Plus he can contribute right away which is needed since our two rooks have been out andmissing valuable practice.

Something tells me both of them are making the team.

[Cowell]

I could make a good list here, but I am just going to put down the guy I want to see off the team the most... Derek Devine.

All Devine is doing is taking away reps from Colt Brennan. I know Devine hasn't thrown much, but when he has he hasn't shown anything special. I know it's only a matter of time until he is cut but I wish they would do it sooner so that Colt can get more reps.

[Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor]

McMullen has to sty he will be a decent wr for us. Think about it he already has tons of experience in the west coast offense and the guy is 6'4''. We wukk have a pretty good wr corp here than last year. I believe that our wrs are much better than seahawks.

[SBXVII]

Ok, help me out here. I thought last week some of you were praising either Torrence or Tryon during the game? I know one was bad but the other seemed to be doing great which was a supprise to some. Perhaps I'm wrong. I'm leaning towards Torrence. I think Tryon just sucked last week and some of you were saying how Torrence looked better then last yr.

If I was on something last week just remind me what it was and I'll stop. lol.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Ok, help me out here. I thought last week some of you were praising either Torrence or Tryon during the game? I know one was bad but the other seemed to be doing great which was a supprise to some. Perhaps I'm wrong. I'm leaning towards Torrence. I think Tryon just sucked last week and some of you were saying how Torrence looked better then last yr.

If I was on something last week just remind me what it was and I'll stop. lol.

I was one of those that said Torrence looked great last week and that Tryon flat out sucked...I stand by that.

This week Torrence looked solid and though Tryon improved on "sucked" he was marginally servicable....Torrence will easily make the team, Tryon has a long way to go..it is understandable being a rookie corner and all...if he shows consistant improvement he may make the final roster...but at this point, I doubt it...I hope Im wrong...but the definately need to make room for Torrence

[redskinjim]

secondary looks weak until carlos rogers returns.its pretty scary whan you consider the complete lack of depth after springs smoot and rogers.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by redskinjim

secondary looks weak until carlos rogers returns.its pretty scary whan you consider the complete lack of depth after springs smoot and rogers.

Again Torrence started the whole game and Tryon played as the Nickel in the begging and started the rest of the game. Torrence is a very good nickel and can start in a pinch. Very few teams in the NFL have three starters and a good nickel. They could have played better, but fourteen points, eleven from turn overs and 173 yards passing, wins almost every time. We have good depth at corners without Rogers, and with Rogers we have excelent depth.