JC is not what I thought.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

........no turnovers, 1 sack against a great d-line, no help from the receivers I don't get how he was pathetic?

I'm not saying that JC had a perfect games, and Lord knows I was going insane when he was holding the ball in the first half. But he looked good in that TD drive (notice that Manning did not throw for a TD and with all the passing yard, he never put the game away). There were some opportunities in which the receivers were not open, receivers dropped the ball, and plays were negated by penalties (one catch that cooley had in the first half that was call back).

Besides, for every Sean Payton out there (rookie coach that succeeds) there are many rookie coaches that won't succeed in their first season. People say that Zorn inherited a playoff team, but this is a playoff team with issues that were not necessarily addressed in the offseason (i.e. WRs).

JC is not the QB that will make players around him better (unlike Payton Manning or Tom Brady) he needs good players around him, and right now our WRs group is the same as last year and are showing the same problems. The day that we replace our QB this year, is the day that we go into rebuilding mode. I don't think after 0-1 is that time to do it.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm not saying that JC had a perfect games, and Lord knows I was going insane when he was holding the ball in the first half. But he looked good in that TD drive (notice that Manning did not throw for a TD and with all the passing yard, he never put the game away). There were some opportunities in which the receivers were not open, receivers dropped the ball, and plays were negated by penalties (one catch that cooley had in the first half that was call back).

Besides, for every Sean Payton out there (rookie coach that succeeds) there are many rookie coaches that won't succeed in their first season. People say that Zorn inherited a playoff team, but this is a playoff team with issues that were not necessarily addressed in the offseason (i.e. WRs).

JC is not the QB that will make players around him better (unlike Payton Manning or Tom Brady) he needs good players around him, and right now our WRs group is the same as last year and are showing the same problems. The day that we replace our QB this year, is the day that we go into rebuilding mode. I don't think after 0-1 is that time to do it.

This is what I've been asking who was open while he was holding on to the ball? Nobody!!!! Did y'all want him to throw a pick?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

This is what I've been asking who was open while he was holding on to the ball? Nobody!!!! Did y'all want him to throw a pick?

It's actually on both Campbell and the receivers. The receivers have to run the precise routes, and Campbell has to learn to throw timing passes to spots. Zorn's been saying the whole time the Jason is waiting for the receiver to be open, and that's not how the west coast offense works. Couple that with Jason still not reading the defenses and it makes for a long learning curve.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

It's actually on both Campbell and the receivers. The receivers have to run the precise routes, and Campbell has to learn to throw timing passes to spots. Zorn's been saying the whole time the Jason is waiting for the receiver to be open, and that's not how the west coast offense works. Couple that with Jason still not reading the defenses and it makes for a long learning curve.

First sack he took he went back rolled right into a sack as he stared down Moss. He could have run streight up the middle for a few yards or thrown to the guy wide open 6 yards down field.

[mcarey032]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

........no turnovers, 1 sack against a great d-line, no help from the receivers I don't get how he was pathetic?

I agree. They don't want him to make a mistake instead everything is criticized for what he doesn't do. They need to back off a bit and let him figure things out. If anything, the playcalling was suspect. I guess that the coaches don't really trust Jason Campbell to run the offense and there is no reason not to. He should have been running a no hurry offense, down by 2 scores with under 8 to go in the 4th quarter. Instead he was told to huddle up and they executed to running plays? They needed to huddle to say run right? There should be some blame on Zorn here because there wasn't enough urgency with the pacing at the end. The line played substandard and the receivers dropping balls doesn't help matters much.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by mcarey032

I agree. They don't want him to make a mistake instead everything is criticized for what he doesn't do. They need to back off a bit and let him figure things out. If anything, the playcalling was suspect. I guess that the coaches don't really trust Jason Campbell to run the offense and there is no reason not to. He should have been running a no hurry offense, down by 2 scores with under 8 to go in the 4th quarter. Instead he was told to huddle up and they executed to running plays? They needed to huddle to say run right? There should be some blame on Zorn here because there wasn't enough urgency with the pacing at the end. The line played substandard and the receivers dropping balls doesn't help matters much.

They pretty much were running a "no hurry offense" lol!!

Zorn might even take a liking to that phrase, in JLC's latest blog he says that Zorn has never been a fan of the no huddle. When I read that I was thinking, 'are you a fan of not having enough time to score?'

At the end of the half & game, the O was just too slow.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

........no turnovers, 1 sack against a great d-line, no help from the receivers I don't get how he was pathetic?

I agree. If he had thrown some ints. I could see this point. Maybe he is slwo with his devlier because the WR aren't open...or Defenders are breathing down his back..or The play calls sucked..Maybe a dropped ball here and there..

It wasn't his best performance. But the whole team stunk..and when that happens its on the coach...atleast Blache stepped up the D in the second half. We need to run the ball on first down and get something going instead of having this pass first philosophy.

[redsk1]

Not good tonight. I don't know what else to say.

[Redskin Warrior]

someone give me the definition of pathetic please?

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

someone give me the definition of pathetic please?

Campbell was 15/27 for 133 yards and 1 TD.

"The key to this game was third down efficiency. The Giants were sharp when it counted most, converting 7-of-14 for the game. On their four first-half scoring drives, they were even better, delivering on 5-of-8 third downs. On the flip side, the Giants' defense was just as dominant on third down, holding the Redskins to just three conversions in 13 attempts and forcing Campbell to throw short of the first-down marker repeatedly throughout the game"

"Jim Zorn made his coaching debut for the Redskins and showed his West Coast offense still has a ways to go. The Redskins had only 174 total yards and only 98 through the air. ..."

All this = Not good. Pathetic may be strong. But it was definitely bad.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Campbell was 15/27 for 133 yards and 1 TD.

"The key to this game was third down efficiency. The Giants were sharp when it counted most, converting 7-of-14 for the game. On their four first-half scoring drives, they were even better, delivering on 5-of-8 third downs. On the flip side, the Giants' defense was just as dominant on third down, holding the Redskins to just three conversions in 13 attempts and forcing Campbell to throw short of the first-down marker repeatedly throughout the game"

"Jim Zorn made his coaching debut for the Redskins and showed his West Coast offense still has a ways to go. The Redskins had only 174 total yards and only 98 through the air. ..."

All this = Not good. Pathetic may be strong. But it was definitely bad.

I really respect that Rave and that was a flawless statement you made I don't disagree but we were right back where we were last year under Gibbs maybe worse. Cooley one catch, Thomas one catch, Randle El 7 & Moss 5 (mostly b.s. catches at the end). Now the three guys we drafted didn't contribute nothing but one catch right. When has Cooley been held to one catch ever? Now I know JC wasn't great or that good but explain to me where was his help offensive weapons were a no show or forced to block all game see Chris Cooley. But JC can't be totally blamed for this game. For you Colt Brennan lovers he wouldn't helped the receivers run betters routes or helped the o-line block better so cut the crap.

[SUNRA]

What Jamie Dukes pointed out is the inept offensive play calling on third down conversions. There is no way Jim Zorn will be successful with the playcalling he defended when asked by Sonny Jergenson. Two plays were called for Cooley and we were off side on both of them." Two plays to Cooley? Where was Ladell Betts and Mike Sellers to offset the tempo of the running game? Zorn should allow the running game to develop and then have the receivers run beyond the first down marker to have more success. Jason Campbell has to erase eight seasons of different offensive coordinators and stop locking in on one receiver. This was the worst performance I have seen for a first time coach for the Redskins. Spurrier wasn't this bad.

[cpayne5]

There's much more to it than the play of your QB. JC didn't look great tonight, but name me someone who did who wasn't returning kicks. JC gets a pass in my book until it becomes obvious that he is the weakest link.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

There's much more to it than the play of your QB. JC didn't look great tonight, but name me someone who did who wasn't returning kicks. JC gets a pass in my book until it becomes obvious that he is the weakest link.

Portis, Fletcher, Brooks.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Portis, Fletcher, Brooks.

None of them were great.

Portis had an awesome block on one of their DEs, and also a per carry average of below 4. If you're going to say the line wasn't blocking, then that also has to carry over to JC's performance. Not great.

Fletcher was all over the field as usual, but I saw a couple of missed tackles and a few times where he was overmatched. Nothing great from him tonight.

The only great thing Brooks was involved in tonight was when Jerome McDougal ran into him. He was rather unspectacular otherwise. Short(ish) punts, and no boomers. Good hangtimes, though. Not great.