The Official Debate Thread (Round 1)

[saden1]

Oh screw it, I can't wait that long...I have a video of Bevis of Bevis and Butthead fame:

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

Oh screw it, I can't wait that long...I have a video of Bevis of Bevis and Butthead fame:

Its funny, it seems that the liberals on this site must get their news from youtube and that might explain allot.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Its funny, it seems that the liberals on this site must get their news from youtube and that might explain allot.

Well don't lump in saden with liberals. For one thing, he says he lost all respect for Obama following the FISA bill. But he doesn't show his disdain for Obama with the same passion he does for McCain.

saden is a smart guy who used to offer some solid contributions to these types of threads, but those are few and far between now. He doesn't care anymore.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well don't lump in saden with liberals. For one thing, he says he lost all respect for Obama following the FISA bill. But he doesn't show his disdain for Obama with the same passion he does for McCain.

saden is a smart guy who used to offer some solid contributions to these types of threads, but those are few and far between now. He doesn't care anymore.

I still contribute in a meaningful way. Who else but me would bring you all those Palin videos?

You know, it's hard to get up for these threads when people in here are saying Palin is more qualified than Obama because she has executive experience. The level of intelligence and honesty has extremely declined with respect to the election related threads so why bother?

I am off the Obama bandwagon but I despise McCain so much that everything he does or says agitates me. I will continue to harp on him. If anyone else wants to step up and harp on Obama be my guest.

[firstdown]

[quote=saden1;481751]I still contribute in a meaningful way. Who else but me would bring you all those Palin videos?

You know, it's hard to get up for these threads when people in here are saying Palin is more qualified than Obama because she has executive experience. The level of intelligence and honesty has extremely declined with respect to the election related threads so why bother?

I am off the Obama bandwagon but I despise McCain so much that everything he does or says agitates me. I will continue to harp on him. If anyone else wants to step up and harp on Obama be my guest.[/quot


This is what the dems have as a base. They rule out everything without an open mind.

Saden I just read your whole post and you need to keep faith in the system. Its not the best but it works. HIAL TO THE SKINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mheisig]

I'll preface this post once again by stating my political affiliation since in this day and age arguments aren't judged by themselves but by the person making the argument: Long time Republican, thoroughly disgusted with and embarrassed by the Bush era. Frankly I don't like either one of these candidates, but I like Obama less and less and I've officially abandoned any and all hope for either aprt. I'll end up voting for whoever I feel is the lesser of the two evils at this point.

That being said, I agree the debate was pretty much a draw, but I would give the edge to Obama. In terms of what was said there was nothing surprising, just the usual talking points.

Where I think McCain lost ground was in his nonverbal behavior. He just came across as a cantankerous old man whereas I think Obama managed to project himself as a little more calm and a little more mature (oddly enough). I don't know what McCain's debate coaches are teaching him, but constant smirking and scoffing when your opponent is making a point just makes you look like a douchebag. Obama did a little of this, but not nearly to the extent as McCain. They'd be far more effective if, as their opponent is making a point, they would look him in the eye and look thoughtful and contemplative, rather than staring at the podium, the audience, or smirking the entire time.

Overall nothing surprising. Minor gaffes on both sides - I guess if the biggest news coming out of the debate is whether or not McCain muttered "horseshit" under his breath it was pretty much a non-event.

But hey, whatever helps the YouTube fodder. Any time we can get funny videos of Palin on here or someone to declare a candidate "a dope," I know this country is heading in the right direction.

[That Guy]

obama did the same thing, so i'm not really sure what that youtube is supposed to prove... there was definitely obama smirking and looking away when i watched it.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by That Guy

obama did the same thing, so i'm not really sure what that youtube is supposed to prove... there was definitely obama smirking and looking away when i watched it.

Smirking and looking away and not making eye contact when speaking to your opponent are two totally different things.

I was taught to look at the person you're debating while also switching to make eye contact with your audience.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Smirking and looking away and not making eye contact when speaking to your opponent are two totally different things.

I was taught to look at the person you're debating while also switching to make eye contact with your audience.

This isn't an attack on you, but it seems like some people wouldn't care if McCain said he came from the planet Zyrnax looking to make peace with the Platypus Kinga and will make ALF his secretary of defense, as long as he made eye contact. It really just goes to show how much perceptions play a part in all this...from Nixon's 5 o'clock shadow to Gore's scoffs.

[firstdown]

Obama does not even knows who he is running against and kept calling John, Jim.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Obama does not even knows who he is running against and kept calling John, Jim.

John. Jim.

If all black guys look the same, then all white guys can go by the same name.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Obama does not even knows who he is running against and kept calling John, Jim.

Obama was addressing John (McCain) sometimes, and Jim (Lehrer) other times.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Obama was addressing John (McCain) sometimes, and Jim (Lehrer) other times.

No he called MCCain Jim several times and even had to correct himself.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by firstdown

No he called MCCain Jim several times and even had to correct himself.

This is problem for you? I do that all the time with my kids, mix up their names and catch myself mid-sentence. He misspoke. That's all. Everybody does it, and it's certainly no exception with politicians.

I'm not an Obama supporter either, but this is ridiculous. I also fiind it amusing that republicans are so hung up with Obama's occasional slip-ups while their hero, the man who currently occupies the White House, has butchered the English language over the last eight years.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

This is problem for you? I do that all the time with my kids, mix up their names and catch myself mid-sentence. He misspoke. That's all. Everybody does it, and it's certainly no exception with politicians.

I'm not an Obama supporter either, but this is ridiculous. I also fiind it amusing that republicans are so hung up with Obama's occasional slip-ups while their hero, the man who currently occupies the White House, has butchered the English language over the last eight years.

I know, right? Having an imbecile in office didn't seem to bother them much over the last 8 years, but an occasional name gaffe has them up in arms.