I know something you don't know: Redskins-Giants first half quick hits

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Darrell_Green_28

Heck if we dont count the plays the giants scored on, we would have won the game..

LOL,there ya go ,we have a winner.No you guys miss my point to see the true production ya remove the best and the worst play and then you get the real average.(not whining,really)

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Giantone

LOL,there ya go ,we have a winner.No you guys miss my point to see the true production ya remove the best and the worst play and then you get the real average.(not whining,really)

Football is not a game of average plays though bud. The teams that can make big plays are more likely to win games.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Football is not a game of average plays though bud. The teams that can make big plays are more likely to win games.

Right but the post was trying to explain how good the O was not win or lose.

[Dblock804]

Eli still looks he would hold one. And Giants fans love it. Who would ever respect any player that refused to go to the team that drafted him. He's a baby.

[hooskins]

haha I love how haters still refuse to look at the analysis in their bashing. It's great.

how about you spend time looking at each play and each player and then come back with the same complaints.

[SBXVII]

I don't care how you spin it. 6 yrds per carry or 50 pass in a WR direction we sucked. We could not move the ball, could not score points, and kept dropping balls. Our run offense went no where.

[SBXVII]

Lets look at another stat. How many drives stalled prior to the 50 yrd line. How many ended in punts?

[A10sROCK]

Nice analysis.

If we had a good pass rush, our DB would look better.

The Giants are just a better football team now. Unless we played at a top level and got some breaks we weren't going to win.

Dropped balls, penalties and missed open WR plagued this offensive. We're near the bottom in the NFL on offense for many reasons.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by A10sROCK

Unless the played at a top level and got some breaks we weren't going to win.

We did get a ton of breaks in this game. The weather was a pass pressure equalizer, taking away their greatest strength while leaving ours untouched. Burress did not play, and neither did Fred Robbins (I believe).

So if we were ever going to handle the Giants, Sunday was going to be that day.

[A10sROCK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We did get a ton of breaks in this game. The weather was a pass pressure equalizer, taking away their greatest strength while leaving ours untouched. Burress did not play, and neither did Fred Robbins (I believe).

So if we were ever going to handle the Giants, Sunday was going to be that day.

Agreed completely. We didn't take advantage of them and we lost. Our offense is below average and so our the ST. The defense can't win this game alone.

[sportscurmudgeon]

GTripp0012:

Glad to see I am not the only one here who thinks DeAngelo Hall is only marginally competent as a cover corner.

[skinsfan69]

I didn't have a problem with us blitzing Manning. W/out Burress, we should've been able to cover their wr's one on one and we just didn't do it. I think the coaches were trying to force the issue against a better team. Maybe get some turnovers and sacks to help our high school offense w/ better field position. Manning just made some great throws. Rodgers played like shit and let Hixon abuse him. I do think NY is better coached and they are a better organization than we are. But the Giants d-coordinator is a champion because of Osi, Strahan and Tuck. Let's not make him out to be some kind special coach with a magic wan.

[sportscurmudgeon]

skinsfan69:

The Giants are playing without Strahan and Osi this year and are 11-1. IN eight quarters, the Redskins scored 14 points on that defense. They - and the defensive coordinator - are getting the job done this year too.


And if you want to denigrate his coaching on last year's championship team by saying he had all those star players so of course he did well, then I'm sure you'll agree with me that Joe Bugel is a dunderhead too. After all, when Bugel won titles he had nothing but Pro Bowl players on the OL (May, Grimm, Jacoby, Lachey, Bostic).


Here's the deal. Good players make good coaches look REALLY good. That is the situation that Steve Spagnuolo finds himself in with the Giants. He is a good coach and a good coordinator and the Giants have built a defensive unit that plays well together. He didn't do all of that; he played a part in all of that. Same goes for just about every other coach on every other winning NFL team.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

skinsfan69:

The Giants are playing without Strahan and Osi this year and are 11-1. IN eight quarters, the Redskins scored 14 points on that defense. They - and the defensive coordinator - are getting the job done this year too.


And if you want to denigrate his coaching on last year's championship team by saying he had all those star players so of course he did well, then I'm sure you'll agree with me that Joe Bugel is a dunderhead too. After all, when Bugel won titles he had nothing but Pro Bowl players on the OL (May, Grimm, Jacoby, Lachey, Bostic).


Here's the deal. Good players make good coaches look REALLY good. That is the situation that Steve Spagnuolo finds himself in with the Giants. He is a good coach and a good coordinator and the Giants have built a defensive unit that plays well together. He didn't do all of that; he played a part in all of that. Same goes for just about every other coach on every other winning NFL team.

I'm not denigrating him. But Tripp was basically making it out that Spagnulo was some kind of genious or something. And Blache was an idiot for blitzing Manning. I'll just put it this way. Spagnulo is a good coach, but his job is much easier than Blache'.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm not denigrating him. But Tripp was basically making it out that Spagnulo was some kind of genious or something. And Blache was an idiot for blitzing Manning. I'll just put it this way.

I did write the sentence to come off that way, because he got totally outcoached in the first half of the game. I sometimes write things I don't totally agree with in order to convey the point to people who haven't seen the tape.

But I totally agree with you that Spags is generally overrated and viewed as a miracle worker, when all he really has is a good sense of the game and good common sense.

Blache was really coaching well earlier in the season, but he hit an inexcusable comfort level with the blitz in recent weeks. It made sense when the secondary was ravaged with injuries to Springs, Doughty, Smoot was banged up, Hall was in Oakland, Torrence was playing a full-time role, and Tryon was on the field as well. He was just doing what he could do to keep bad offenses from being able to exploit matchups against us like St. Louis was able to.

But as this comfort level with the blitz developed, people started coming back healthy, and we added to our secondary depth. We were never at any point a good-blitzing team. But against weaker offenses like Cleveland and Detroit and Pittsburgh, it made sense to blitz a lot to prevent the exploitation of weaker matchups in the secondary.

However, we had an entire bye week to get healthy and re-evalutate this strategy, and the blitzing against good offenses (Dallas, NYG) has absolutely killed us. I mean, we're not even giving our defense a chance really.

Spagnulo is a good coach, but his job is much easier than Blache'.

Agreed 100%.