blow it up

[redskinsgirl]

Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

GTripp, we all agree something must change. Cowher is proven, boring but proven. I like Zorn as much as anybody but I think he is more of a coordinator. As far as Campbell goes i just think there is alot better out there.
We are all pissed off right now. I live for this shit. I wake up every Sunday morning like its Christmas for kids. It ****ing breaks my heart when we lose. I just want to win.

Who is out there that is alot better? What QB that is really good in going to be FA in the offseason? What QB who is really good would want to play for the skins??? No one is going to trade Brady, P. Manning, Big Ben. Skins have 5 draft picks and have major issures they need to address. They can't really afford to draft a QB. They are team with QB who play worse than Campbell (i.e. Vikings, Panthers, Titans) who are going to make the playoffs.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by redskinsgirl

Who is out there that is alot better? What QB that is really good in going to be FA in the offseason? What QB who is really good would want to play for the skins??? No one is going to trade Brady, P. Manning, Big Ben. Skins have 5 draft picks and have major issures they need to address. They can't really afford to draft a QB. They are team with QB who play worse than Campbell (i.e. Vikings, Panthers, Titans) who are going to make the playoffs.

Good post and analysis, thanks.

[SOUL-SKINS]

Originally Posted by redskinsgirl

Who is out there that is alot better? What QB that is really good in going to be FA in the offseason? What QB who is really good would want to play for the skins??? No one is going to trade Brady, P. Manning, Big Ben. Skins have 5 draft picks and have major issures they need to address. They can't really afford to draft a QB. They are team with QB who play worse than Campbell (i.e. Vikings, Panthers, Titans) who are going to make the playoffs.

If you think JC is better than Jake Delhomme your sadly mistaken. I think JC should have some competition next preseason. I do agree we have other major issue's to address in the draft. Colt will be #2 next year. If JC struggles you won't see him again unless Colt gets hurt. LISTEN... EITHER YOU HAVE IT OR YOU DON'T. JC DOES NOT.....YOU ARE WHAT YOU ARE.....just an O.K. Qb.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

GTripp, we all agree something must change. Cowher is proven, boring but proven. I like Zorn as much as anybody but I think he is more of a coordinator. As far as Campbell goes i just think there is alot better out there.
We are all pissed off right now. I live for this shit. I wake up every Sunday morning like its Christmas for kids. It ****ing breaks my heart when we lose. I just want to win.

I don't know who should go. I don't know who should stay. I'm not sure if its coaching cause we have been through two head coach's, two different co-ordinators, and three different offensive scheme's in Gibbs, Saunders and Zorn. Could it be the players who for the most part have not changed in 5-6 yrs? Same players, same old "blue collar" players? I don't know....maybe it's ownership. Maybe it's everyone trying too hard including the owner. What I don't like to see is Zorn not making adjustments. He seems to think putting the same offensive plays on the field every week will work and blaming it on "execution." Perhaps its due to injuries, players abilities, or lack of knowlege of his scheme but it ticks me off that for what ever reason other teams seem to know what he's going to do and how he's going to do it. He's not catching other teams off guard. Yes,he will throw in a trick play here and there but we should not have to resort to trick plays to score. His offense does not resemble Seattles, or the Eagles, or the Bucs, or anyone. It has no identity. We can't run probably due to injuries. We can't pass....why? maybe injuries on the line but other then that why? We have two second rounders who should be making strides. Should be helping the team. Don't say learning curve please. Look at the other WR's and how they are doing on their teams. Fairly well I believe. So did we pick the wrong WR's? or is it the position coach not training well enough?

I know it takes more then a year to learn an offense. No problem. But to incorperate the two new WR very little when that's what we needed in the off season and knew we needed taller WR to help out and not use them is beyond me. If everyone knew there was a learning curve of about 2 yrs then rookies were not going to help us. Why didn't we look at some of the vetrans that were available ...ie CJ...although he was taken off the table, Williams who went to Dallas. We needed one tall player who was a difference maker and a WR from the draft for our future.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

So basically, why be mediocre now when we can be terrible now and mediocre later?

Thing is maybe the Zorn bashers have a point GTripp. The guy might be in over his head. Snyder and co got rid of Norv after only one playoff appearance in what 10 seasons? It was Norv's turn to go. Marty was shown the door because of a power struggle. Dumb move on Snyder's part, but he is the owner and if he doesn't want the coach to be the GM also, that is his business. Spurrier quit as did Gibbs, so in actuality Snyder really only messed up with Marty. Zorn should be given another year in my opinion, but I am not Snyder. As for JC, right now he is ranked 13th in passing yards, not bad, but his post bye performance has been ho hum. Wasn't he like top 5 during the 6-2 run? I also say give him all of '09 to prove himself, and if '09 sucks, both guys should be packing. It sucks that this stuff isn't panning out, but Snyder really wasted a lot of time in hiring gimmick coaches after firing Marty. Spurrier was the exotic experiment that supposedly was going to change the NFL and that fizzled. Gibbs II was a nice gimmick to get the fans excited again, but that too fell short on expectations. Lightning doesn't strike twice. I can feel Snyder's dilemna though. His big question is does Zorn have theright stuff to be HC or is he just a perpetual assistant. One more year will tell the tale, but Snyder might not want to wait one more season to find out. I mean this team has collapsed already. If it gets uglier Snyder might just have to pull the plug on good ole Zorny.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Thing is maybe the Zorn bashers have a point GTripp. The guy might be in over his head. Snyder and co got rid of Norv after only one playoff appearance in what 10 seasons? It was Norv's turn to go. Marty was shown the door because of a power struggle. Dumb move on Snyder's part, but he is the owner and if he doesn't want the coach to be the GM also, that is his business. Spurrier quit as did Gibbs, so in actuality Snyder really only messed up with Marty. Zorn should be given another year in my opinion, but I am not Snyder. As for JC, right now he is ranked 13th in passing yards, not bad, but his post bye performance has been ho hum. Wasn't he like top 5 during the 6-2 run? I also say give him all of '09 to prove himself, and if '09 sucks, both guys should be packing. It sucks that this stuff isn't panning out, but Snyder really wasted a lot of time in hiring gimmick coaches after firing Marty. Spurrier was the exotic experiment that supposedly was going to change the NFL and that fizzled. Gibbs II was a nice gimmick to get the fans excited again, but that too fell short on expectations. Lightning doesn't strike twice. I can feel Snyder's dilemna though. His big question is does Zorn have theright stuff to be HC or is he just a perpetual assistant. One more year will tell the tale, but Snyder might not want to wait one more season to find out. I mean this team has collapsed already. If it gets uglier Snyder might just have to pull the plug on good ole Zorny.

I agree that one more year will tell the tale, GF, but I doubt many people he would be able to see the improvement even if Zorn showed it.

I'm officially undecided on Zorn. But a lot of people have already decided he doesn't have it, which is obviously premature, but either way, I'm skeptical of these type of opinions by nature.

Never ever judge your head coach by his most difficult times. Wait until things improve, then look back and see who was at fault.

[irish]

Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

Amen......All these fools who think Zorn and Campbell are the answer are ****ed up in the head. Bill Cowher should be the coach next year. Why waste any more time with these medicore players and coaches. Betts, ARE , Suisham, Campbell, Washington, Smoot, Plac, Thrash, Jansen, Rabach..........let me just stop right here, take a deep breath and walk away from my computer. Sorry for anyone who wasted time reading this.

There is no way Cowher will come here to have his authority undercut and his players working for the owner. Cowher doesnt operate the way the Skins do and he never will.

[Smooter]

Everyone just needs to get a grip and realize that we weren't as good as our record showed the beginning of the season. Like everyone else I got my hopes up thinking we were much better than we were. Things have been on the decline the last few weeks, but a coaching change is not the answer right now. Do we seriously want to throw another system into the mix for our team to learn? Of course not. Everyone take a deep breath.

[squrrelco3]

You could blow this team up fifty times and it wouldn't do a damn bit of good as long as Danny and Vinny are running the team...

This is a retarded thread....

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by squrrelco3

You could blow this team up fifty times and it wouldn't do a damn bit of good as long as Danny and Vinny are running the team...

This is a retarded thread....

Which is the main point.

We've got building blocks, and I believe the foundation of this team is strong, but we thought we'd be just a little further along than we are right now offensively.

[holcknowsbest]

Originally Posted by Smooter

Everyone just needs to get a grip and realize that we weren't as good as our record showed the beginning of the season. Like everyone else I got my hopes up thinking we were much better than we were. Things have been on the decline the last few weeks, but a coaching change is not the answer right now. Do we seriously want to throw another system into the mix for our team to learn? Of course not. Everyone take a deep breath.

what is gay is the fact that you dont hire a guy like gregg williams before you put us all through this. what else did he have to do to prove he was a worthy coach. i am sorry but what is gay is the fact that you cant get promoted even though you have been the only bright spot from a coaching stand point since marty was here. you were the same donkey saying steve spurrier was the answer too, just give him some time....get real man, football coaches are hard to come by, there are those who can lead and those who cant.......seems to me that a 6-10 played harder from gibbs and williams in 04 than a 7-6 team did for jim zorn and blache in 08........if you cant see this then your blind

[Smooter]

Originally Posted by holcknowsbest

what is gay is the fact that you dont hire a guy like gregg williams before you put us all through this. what else did he have to do to prove he was a worthy coach. i am sorry but what is gay is the fact that you cant get promoted even though you have been the only bright spot from a coaching stand point since marty was here. you were the same donkey saying steve spurrier was the answer too, just give him some time....get real man, football coaches are hard to come by, there are those who can lead and those who cant.......seems to me that a 6-10 played harder from gibbs and williams in 04 than a 7-6 team did for jim zorn and blache in 08........if you cant see this then your blind

Just so you know I was for Gregg Williams being head coach and completely against the hiring of Spurrier. So I guess what you're saying is we should only give coaches a year to work with a team primarily assembled by someone else and if they cant make the playoffs than they're out. I understand you may be frustrated like we all are, but to expect a rookie coach to come out and win the Super Bowl is ridiculous.

[schndr_tdd]

Age! our team is old and cant play all year!!!

[hagams]

You know what, it all makes sense now. Let's:

-Let's replace our head coach, because that hasn't been done.
-Let's replace our Starting QB, because that hasn't been done.
-Let's sign some more big name free agents, because that hasn't been done.
-Let's draft a new punter because both ours sucked, because that hasn't been done.
-Let's call for Mr. Snyder to sell the team, because that hasn't been done.
-Let's replace all of our coaches, because that hasn't been done.
-Let's get rid of all our draft picks because they couldn't perform their first year,
because that hasn't been done.
- Let's keep all of our "Core Redskins" past their prime, because that hasn't been done.
- Let's chalk up a season to growing pains with a 1st year head coach, new offensive
scheme, old lines, because.....oh shit......that hasn't been done.

[redsk1]

No coach is really going to make much of a difference unless we change some FO fundamentals.

So, i'm changing the FO, but I don't see it.