Michael Vouches for Abundant Talent; How About You?

[irish]

Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

I think JLC nailed it. The problem with the redskins starts at the head...chop it off...

DS wants to win more than anyone else in the organization. The problem is that he also wants to be able to stand in front of the mics when they win and say "see what I did", "I told VC to pick him", "I knew he was a big time player thas why I recommended we draft him", etc. Just accepting the trophy on behalf of the organization isnt enough, it has to be about how football smart he is. Until that changes this team is doomed to its current state.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

He makes a lot of good points here:

Michael Vouches for Abundant Talent; How About You? - Redskins Insider

Normally i hate this guy, but he makes alot of valid points BUT......

His strengths are not in coverage and that's no knock on LaRon.

^^that Is Non-sense, our whole defensive scheme is based on Dirty's ability to play Cover 1 as the single deep safety and patrol the deep ALONE

[#56fanatic]

It is hard to argue. I watch other, "less talented" teams and their #1 WR gets open for at least 6-7 balls a game, and they are able to get open down field. I just dont think Santana is a #1 WR in the NFL. I use to argue that for a couple of years, but i can't anymore. He is the same size as Steve Smith. He gets open ALL THE TIME, and he is basically the only option on the Panthers. Moose is a nice compliment, but he is 34 and no where near the player he was early 2000's.
Campbell just doesn't seem to want to take chances. QB's in this league, with a true #1 WR take chances, they allow them to make plays on the ball. I watch teams and see them completing balls 30 yards down field, hell even 20 yards down field and just wonder why the hell can't we do that!! Well, I think it comes down to Moss not being as good as we all would like to think he is.
Know, I know there are a ton of other factors. He is our ONLY threat, so he gets doubled under and over, which leads me to Randel El....he stinks. He is in no way a #2 receiver. I have said it since we gave him 30 million, he is way over paid.. .and not that good. He is a #3, maybe. We have no WR threats at all. Cooley would is a threat, just imagine what he would do if we could field two, three pretty good WR's!!

Offensive line...seriously...old and under talented! 3 or 4 years ago, they were pretty solid, but we let a good guard go by not offering him a decent contract when he had 1 year remaining on his deal. (i know what he signed for in buffalo was way too much!) but we should have signed him to an extension. the line is not that good despite the early success.
D- line, must we go there? they need to blow that whole thing up. Keep Montgomery, he plays the run fairly well and is improving. Still not sure about Golston. Carter is a waste in my opinion. He can not get pressure and can't play the run, same with Jason taylor
Line backers - pretty solid, but need someone to take Marcus's spot. He is done.
secondary is pretty solid as well, and pretty young with Rogers, Hall, Landry and Horton. good foundation.

overall, we are not very talented in my opinion... we have some decent talent but not very good at Key positions.

[dmek25]

i was always a over evaluator of talent. this article is pretty obvious. the skins do have talent. just not enough of it. and i disagree with not playing the rookies. its different if your in a big playoff push, but the skins have been getting ready for the off season the last couple of weeks

[Spence]

I don't have a problem with JLC at all. Yes, he's tough on the team, but he should be. We all should be. This team has been chronically [and almost criminally] mismanaged for years. I don't care if JLC is a Ravens fan, it doesn't make his criticisms any less valid. Worry about the accuracy of his points, not about anything else.

And Larry Michael is a douche nozzle. The less said and written about him, the better.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Spence

I don't have a problem with JLC at all. Yes, he's tough on the team, but he should be. We all should be.

Being "tough" (i.e., excessively critical) isn't virtuous. I want journalists covering the Redskins to be "fair" (i.e., recognizing the good and the bad).

Like Hog1 said, JLC makes some good points, but he seems to enjoy criticizing the team far too much. His personal distaste for Vinny and Danny is palpable and unprofessional.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Spence

I don't have a problem with JLC at all. Yes, he's tough on the team, but he should be. We all should be. This team has been chronically [and almost criminally] mismanaged for years. I don't care if JLC is a Ravens fan, it doesn't make his criticisms any less valid. Worry about the accuracy of his points, not about anything else.

And Larry Michael is a douche nozzle. The less said and written about him, the better.

I do. Thats why I'm usually skeptical about the stuff he writes.

[YellowBirdy]

12-18-2008 09:36 AM
Mattyk72 Re: Michael Vouches for Abundant Talent; How About You?

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Originally Posted by djnemo65
I read that. It's hard to argue with a lot of JLC's points. Taken for what it is, a case for keeping Zorn, I think the post is very compelling.

That's the main point I took from it, blaming Zorn for these issues after being here for only 10 months is absurd.


I guess it’s hard to argue with this article and the lessons to take from it are that we should keep Zorn if that is what you already felt. I think that’s called preaching to the converted.

For those of us that have seen this team increasingly fall apart the longer the season has gone on the argument for keeping Zorn seems lass difficult to argue.

Most of the points raised in this article were as valid at the beginning of the season as they are now. I think it has taken Zorn’s input to progressively turn this team into something approaching a joke.

[Paintrain]

Like it's been said before, JLC makes some good points but he really seems to enjoy kicking the Redskins when they are down. I guess I had never done a full roster analysis like he did here but when you look at it, we are lacking in a lot of areas.

He overstated in some instances (putting Portis 4th in the division?, comparing ARE to Sincorce Moss?, expressing concern about Landry's development in his 2nd year when he's playing out of position, saying Cerrato drafted a punter 'high') but pointed out some flaws across the board.

I'm not saying that coaching is the complete problem, nor advocating a change but I think great coaches adjust to their players strengths and we've had some very stubborn coaches (Gibbs in general, Grilliams with Lavar, Blache not sending his DL upfield after the QB, Zorn not embracing JC more in the shotgun) that have not allowed our talent to be maximized. It's not always about the best talent (see Cowboys the past 2 years, Patriots in the SB, Ravens in '00) but getting the most out of it.

[davy]

Garbage article, dripping with vitriol and sarcasm.

Waste of space.

[maroonandblack30]

IMO Moss is an awesome talent, just lacks the size to be a true #1. I love the way Moss plays though.

I do think JC should take more chances and let Moss try to make plays. He is great at catching the deep ball in traffic.

[sportscurmudgeon]

I think a top-shelf #1 WR should get in the end zone 8 times a year. That's once every other game over the course of a season.

Santana Moss has been in the league 8 years; he's met or exceeded 8 TDs in a season twice; the last time was in 2005.

Yes, I realize that in his rookie season for the Jets he only played in 4 games due to an injury, so I'll spot him that season...


The most insightful comment in this thread was the one that identified Larry Michael as a douche nozzle. This man makes sycophants all over the world look like iconoclasts...

[53Fan]

I really just think Zorn is caught in a catch-22. On the one hand he wants to install the WCO so we can learn how to win with it. That takes time and a lot of repetition. On the other hand, because we BARELY made the playoffs last year we are expected to win now. So what do we do? He can play to our strengths and go outside of the WCO to try and get wins, or he can keep going with the WCO with the idea that once the players get it, things will start working. Of course going outside of the WCO takes away from learning how to win within it which is ultimately where he thinks we will have our greatest success. So should he just scrap it and try to get wins this year even though it will set the process back even further? Installing the WCO AND getting wins in the first year, especially with an inconsistent o-line, seems like an arduous task to say the least. Andy Reid wasn't able to do it. I believe he was 5-11 his first year. I'm not sure anyone has to the extent we expect Zorn to. Just give the guy another year and if there is no improvement...deal with it then. Constant turnover has been our problem... not the answer.

[MTK]

I don't agree with him on Portis either. I'd take him over Jacobs and Barber. Westbrook is more dynamic but he's also not a guy you can line up and pound 25 times a game.

As for Moss I tend to agree he's better suited as a #2 option. He's definitely an explosive WR but he tends to disappear for stretches and he's just not reliable enough for me to call a true #1.

[SouperMeister]

We need JLC to balance Larry Michael's "rose colored" reporting. While I don't agree with everything JLC says, the macro view that this team is flawed with less talent than they're willing to admit is right on the money.