Despite win Campbell must go !!!!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

JC strikes me as a QB who can lead a potent offense when given time and a mediocre one when the line is struggling. He's not a guy who will consistently make big plays, but he's capable of putting the ball in a playmaker's hands when he isn't lying on his back. In that sense, he strikes me as an Eli Manning-type QB.

Good points. Today the line was again awful in pass pro.

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

JC strikes me as a QB who can lead a potent offense when given time and a mediocre one when the line is struggling. He's not a guy who will consistently make big plays, but he's capable of putting the ball in a playmaker's hands when he isn't lying on his back. In that sense, he strikes me as an Eli Manning-type QB.

Exactly. He needs a good running game to play-action off of. I think moving forward he is perfect for this team right now. Where he struggles is when we get behind and he has to make a big play. He doesn't turn the ball over often (though it frustrates fans that he doesn't take more chances downfield which is higher risk/reward) and lets the guys around him make the plays.
I think he's better than Dilfer, Eli Manning or Brad Johnson (all Super Bowl winners) but he's not as good as Marino, Jurgenson or Moon (HOFers who never won a Super Bowl).

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm sort of starting to think that JC is just going to be a serviceable NFL QB. Meaning he's never going to be the type of guy that can carry an offense. But what ever we do at least give the guy a chance to be in the same offense two years in a row.

I can see that. I thought he would be a lot better than he has been. I think he be very solid though, like you said though let him at least play in the same offensive scheme for a prolonged period of time and let's see what happens when we get some help on the line and Thomas, Kelly, and Davis mature. There were a couple of times today where he and Thomas were off by a half step. With more time and repitition that should improve.

[MrJL]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm sort of starting to think that JC is just going to be a serviceable NFL QB. Meaning he's never going to be the type of guy that can carry an offense. But what ever we do at least give the guy a chance to be in the same offense two years in a row.

Gibbs won with servicable QBs. I'm prefectly happy with a servicable QB

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by MrJL

Gibbs won with servicable QBs. I'm prefectly happy with a servicable QB

Different era where you could keep a great line and great wr's together. I'm not saying we can't win with JC cause I believe we can. I guess we all (including myself) just need to be a little more patient. I guess I was expecting a little more out of him. When I see Matt Cassel and Phillip Rivers having great years, and I look at how pitiful our offense is....it's just so frustrating.

[MrJL]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Different era where you could keep a great line and great wr's together. I'm not saying we can't win with JC cause I believe we can. I guess we all (including myself) just need to be a little more patient. I guess I was expecting a little more out of him. When I see Matt Cassel and Phillip Rivers having great years, and I look at how pitiful our offense is....it's just so frustrating.

I'm pretty sure New England is a team that keeps a very good ( at least) line together. And it's gone out and gotten great WRs. In fact I believe both QB's you list play for teams that are very good at continuity.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

I do not like JC. How about a guy like Matt Cassel. FA at the end of the year.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

I do not like JC. How about a guy like Matt Cassel. FA at the end of the year.

How about getting an offensive line that can actually block people? With our current line, it isn't going to matter who we have behind center. Besides, if we're going to pay a QB a $20M signing bonus (which is likely what Cassel will command), I'd prefer to pay a proven winner, not a guy who inherited a Super Bowl team and played well for 1 season Derek Anderson-style.

[TheSmurfs22]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

How about getting an offensive line that can actually block people? With our current line, it isn't going to matter who we have behind center. Besides, if we're going to pay a QB a $20M signing bonus (which is likely what Cassel will command), I'd prefer to pay a proven winner, not a guy who inherited a Super Bowl team and played well for 1 season Derek Anderson-style.

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BRAVO and you cut to the real issue here. Until we shore up our lines it does not matter who our QB is they are going to get pounded. If we are going to start fixing this team then it has to start with our lines. Enough of this QB, WR crap lets fix the lines otherwise we will be going through this same talk this time next year.

[redsk1]

Troy Aikman said it perfectly when he said JC looks nonchalant (sp) or tends to play nonchalant. Translation: he needs to be more aware of pressure and get rid of the ball or slide up in the pocket.

I want to give JC another year to prove or disprove himself. However, i don't see him as our long term answer at QB. Pretty good QB when all things are good, but when we're missing anything he's average to below. There's seldom a time w/ any team that you're going to have all day to throw to open WR's and at the same time have your running game going. It happens just not every week.

So, he deserves another year, but from what I've seen to date...not to sure.

[SBprimetime]

Do you really think Matt Cassel is that much better than Campbell? He's playing with a 3-time Superbowl winning coach, in the same system that produced the best season by a QB ever last year, and with possibly the best receiver of all-time. Campbell has 1st-round pick talent(Matt Cassel didn't have enough talent to get in the starting lineup of a team since high school), but he has never had a consistent system or coach, and it seems like he's really limited by the coaching and gameplan. It seems like his entire career he's been taught to lock on to the #1 or throw a checkdown. Look at the offense he was in led by Mark Brunell when he came in in to the league, remember how pissed off everyone was when he was dumping the ball off for 2 yards everyplay?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

If we're smart, we'll trade JC for a 2nd-3rd rounder this year while he still has some value. he wont get it done for us next year. he's far too inaccurate and has too little awareness of pressure to be a franchise QB in the NFCEast. you cant blame either of those problems on the system. they are the same problems hes been having forever. we should sign Garcia or Warner and then groom Brennan or draft a young guy

[bedlamVR]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

If we're smart, we'll trade JC for a 2nd-3rd rounder this year while he still has some value. he wont get it done for us next year. he's far too inaccurate and has too little awareness of pressure to be a franchise QB in the NFCEast. you cant blame either of those problems on the system. they are the same problems hes been having forever. we should sign Garcia or Warner and then groom Brennan or draft a young guy

How is this smart ... let me just check ..

We dump a guy who is 27 and ranked right in the midle of the pack in most QB statisitics in his first season in the WCO with no real weapons and pick up a 37 year old journey man who plays in a system which happens to feature two of the best WRs in the league right now or even better a 38 year old who... well he cannot stay healthy...

THEN we get one or two picks in 2/3rd round, one of which we would have to use on a QB ....

..Then park the rookie behind Colt Brenan which if the preseason is anything to go by has to have some of the worst mechanics I have ever seen for an NFL QB ....and you want to hand the future starting position to that guy ... hmm

Smart huh ? I don't get it ...

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by bedlamVR

How is this smart ... let me just check ..

We dump a guy who is 27 and ranked right in the midle of the pack in most QB statisitics in his first season in the WCO with no real weapons and pick up a 37 year old journey man who plays in a system which happens to feature two of the best WRs in the league right now or even better a 38 year old who... well he cannot stay healthy...

THEN we get one or two picks in 2/3rd round, one of which we would have to use on a QB ....

..Then park the rookie behind Colt Brenan which if the preseason is anything to go by has to have some of the worst mechanics I have ever seen for an NFL QB ....and you want to hand the future starting position to that guy ... hmm

Smart huh ? I don't get it ...

Good post. And actually, for another 10 days, JC is still 26 years old.

[doughtydoubter]

well said sherrif..give the guy nother season..a line and some help damn all you haters