Room for disappointment in FA?

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How so exactly?

Do you really think the Skins are betting all their chips on no cap and have no backup plan in place?

Do you really put it past them to execute an overly aggressive move with no Plan B?

If worse comes to worse they will dismantle our core (Portis, Moss) and we'll still have guys we can build on like AH and Landry.

I do think that if Dan Snyder is the wheeling dealing, dinner eating business man that can secure the NFL's largest guaranteed contract ever for the top 2009 free agent in 5 hours, then he certainly has owner insight into the NFL's cap implications beyond this year.

[Son Of Man]

There were no marquee/young LB's or OT;s available that would have justified the money it would have cost to sign them (and I don't wanna hear about Boley, he's underwhelming). The FO just gave us arguably the most dominate DL force in the NFL today which should improve everyone's play on the Defense by destroying opposing offenses lines and occupying blockers allonging our LB's to make plays. JT will alternate between DE and LB meaning or LB rotation should be; Fletcher (MLB) with Blades at MLB/SLB, McIntosh at WLB/SLB, JT at WLB, Fincher and Campbell rotating. With the acquistion of a LB through the draft (Maualuaga for instance) we will look golden.

As far as the O line, we just got 8 years younger at LG. We have Rhinehart, for depth, with a year under his belt (we'll see what he brings) and returning veterans at all the other positions. Heyer and Jansen will compete for the RT position and the FO will look to see if there is a worthwhile sucessor to Samuels to pick up in the draft. The only sure bet LT prospects will be long gone (J. Smith and E. Monroe) by the 13th pick. I have serious reservations, as do the majority of analysts I've heard, about Oher and A. Smith so the FO may be unwilling to invest alot of money in them when there will be sure fire prospects at other positions. Trading back is always an option but requires a willing partner, so let's not bet on that. If we stay at 13 we can take the teams highest rated LB out of USC and draft OL in the 3rd round.

We weren't going to fix all of our problems in one offseason. That being said, we definately secured a core from which to continue building on defense. Our offensive acquisitions from last offseason only need to make good on their promise, JC needs to keep growing, and I see alot of good things for our beloved team next year.

PS- I love Maualuaga!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I think we can bring washington back at close to the vet minimum and the stay put at 13 and draft the best OT available. in the 3rd round we can probably pick up a starting quality LB since this draft is ridiculously deep at LB. id then use our 5th and 6th round picks on a running back and offensive lineman.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I think we can bring washington back at close to the vet minimum and the stay put at 13 and draft the best OT available. in the 3rd round we can probably pick up a starting quality LB since this draft is ridiculously deep at LB. id then use our 5th and 6th round picks on a running back and offensive lineman.

BHA, I'm with you about staying put at 13 for OT. And i'm glad some of us are not blind to the need of a RB (in the draft)

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

I'm not trying to be annoying but AH did improve our line but we also lost Evans. Taylor and Carter aren't known for their run stopping. IMO we need another quality DE to be competitively imposing on the line.

Also Dockery is filling Kendall's spot so we haven't added anything there and offense was our weakness last year.

We're only going to yield one possible starter with our draft picks. Even if our 3rd rounder starts somewhere this year will that necessarily be a good thing? Reinhardt couldn't even touch the field last year when we had extreme need for a warm body on the line.

Our team has changed but I don't think it's improved yet. We'll probably have to wait for next offseason to see that.

Even if we lost Evans, which I'm not sure we have yet, I would say AH is an improvement over Evans. I would say gaining about 8 years youth at LG is an improvement. If our 3rd rounder is good enough to start, how would that not be an improvement? I disagree Tee. I think we've improved.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Even if we lost Evans, which I'm not sure we have yet, I would say AH is an improvement over Evans. I would say gaining about 8 years youth at LG is an improvement. If our 3rd rounder is good enough to start, how would that not be an improvement? I disagree Tee. I think we've improved.

What I'm basically saying is that we went for quality in this year's free agency and we definitely got it.

Our 2008 team needed quantity because the lack of depth really killed us down the stretch on both sides of the ball...Geisinger was blocking Terrell Suggs at one point for God's sakes

IMO we still haven't addressed the quantity that was needed from last year's team.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

What I'm basically saying is that we went for quality in this year's free agency and we definitely got it.

Our 2008 team needed quantity because the lack of depth really killed us down the stretch on both sides of the ball...Geisinger was blocking Terrell Suggs at one point for God's sakes

IMO we still haven't addressed the quantity that was needed from last year's team.

I agree that we still have some holes to fill. I didn't mean to imply we didn't. I'm hoping we get some help in the draft. T.O.Killa brought Kevin Burnett back up in the 2009 FA's thread. If we have the money we should check this guy out. He could possibly fill the OLB need at a reasonable price.

[JWDundees]

The Dockery signing is arguably bigger than the AH signing. Kendall was barely holding on at LG and to pick up Dock...I just cant explain how important I think that is. I was initially down on the AH pick up because we had more pressing needs along the O-line but with Dock in the mix Im ecstatic with the FO's moves so far.

So no...i dont think their is room for disappointment this year in FA.

[CRedskinsRule]

I am very happy (in fact I probably qualify as a head over heals guy). I think adding a HIGH quality DT, we increased our depth because our starters Golston and Montgomery now add to the rotation. On the offensive line, I would have been disappointed but the Lions/Bills incompetence and our FO's willingness to get Dock gives meaning to our draft, because now we know our left side is a lot more solid, we can focus on a center/rg/ot. and again, our starters last year become our depth, not bad. Not really thrilled with Hall but Rodgers/Hall/Landry ought to be a heck of a starting defensive backfield.

If we upgrade our special teams (ie punter) and the kid from Canada who I don't remember can take over punt returns. I would think there would be no solid reason to be disappointed in the offseason.

Of Course there is always the regular season available for disappointments to shine through. For now I continue to give our FO a solid :

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I think we can bring washington back at close to the vet minimum and the stay put at 13 and draft the best OT available. in the 3rd round we can probably pick up a starting quality LB since this draft is ridiculously deep at LB. id then use our 5th and 6th round picks on a running back and offensive lineman.

Ok...Now you're just F****ing with me. :screama:

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I am very happy (in fact I probably qualify as a head over heals guy). I think adding a HIGH quality DT, we increased our depth because our starters Golston and Montgomery now add to the rotation. On the offensive line, I would have been disappointed but the Lions/Bills incompetence and our FO's willingness to get Dock gives meaning to our draft, because now we know our left side is a lot more solid, we can focus on a center/rg/ot. and again, our starters last year become our depth, not bad. Not really thrilled with Hall but Rodgers/Hall/Landry ought to be a heck of a starting defensive backfield.

If we upgrade our special teams (ie punter) and the kid from Canada who I don't remember can take over punt returns. I would think there would be no solid reason to be disappointed in the offseason.

Of Course there is always the regular season available for disappointments to shine through. For now I continue to give our FO a solid :

I probably demand too much of my Redskins. I have high expectations for them so I'd like to see all the bases covered before going into a competitive NFL season.

By not taking care of the one major deficiency of our entire team, our lack of depth, they are continuing to gamble with our team's success. My expectation going into a season is that we should have a chance for success no matter the impediment, our opponent, the weather, or the team's overall health.


The success you think we'll have is contingent upon the health of a one or two players. Injuries are far too common in the NFL to rest your team's success on the health of one or two players.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

I probably demand too much of my Redskins. I have high expectations for them so I'd like to see all the bases covered before going into a competitive NFL season.

By not taking care of the one major deficiency of our entire team, our lack of depth, they are continuing to gamble with our team's success. My expectation going into a season is that we should have a chance for success no matter the impediment, our opponent, the weather, or the team's overall health.


The success you think we'll have is contingent upon the health of a one or two players. Injuries are far too common in the NFL to rest your team's success on the health of one or two players.

My argument is that we took care of depth by adding quality at the top. What one or two players? In a different thread it was pointed out that our DLine starters rotated regularly.
Our depth weakness on the Oline was not fully addressed and we did get Extremely lucky with Dock, but we added/solidified the left for next several years. And in the draft, and our younger veterans, we have to see them step up.
Finally, back to your comment that our success is dependent on one or two players, I disagree, but even so, nearly every team has one or two players that make or break them and the teams whose lines have been extremely healthy(giants oline) haven't tested their backups.

Come the regular season, I will be screaming at the screen and praying our backups when called upon meet the need. But right now, I am enjoying the Skins offseason, and thankful that the our front office makes every attempt to field a SB worthy team, with the Highest quality players available.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

My argument is that we took care of depth by adding quality at the top. What one or two players? In a different thread it was pointed out that our DLine starters rotated regularly.
Our depth weakness on the Oline was not fully addressed and we did get Extremely lucky with Dock, but we added/solidified the left for next several years. And in the draft, and our younger veterans, we have to see them step up.
Finally, back to your comment that our success is dependent on one or two players, I disagree, but even so, nearly every team has one or two players that make or break them and the teams whose lines have been extremely healthy(giants oline) haven't tested their backups.

Come the regular season, I will be screaming at the screen and praying our backups when called upon meet the need. But right now, I am enjoying the Skins offseason, and thankful that the our front office makes every attempt to field a SB worthy team, with the Highest quality players available.

The Giants, arguably, had their best defensive player, Osi Umenyiora go down in preseason '08. They still went 12-4 and won the NFL's toughest division with a great defense. They anticipated injuries and had ample depth to recover from losing him.

If we lose our best defensive player, hopefully Haynesworth if you just paid him $46M guaranteed, then our defensive line would look pedestrian. Our solution would be to call Jason Taylor's fatter brother and see if we could trade a 2nd or 3rd for him.


The fact is that competitively built NFL teams do not build depth as shallow as ours. Haynesworth's exceptional ability at DT does not provide additional depth beyond his roster spot.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

The Giants, arguably, had their best defensive player, Osi Umenyiora go down in preseason '08. They still went 12-4 and won the NFL's toughest division with great defense. They anticipated injuries and had ample depth to recover from losing him.

If we lose our best defensive player, hopefully Haynesworth if you just paid him $46M guaranteed, then our defensive line would look pedestrian. Our solution would be to call Jason Taylor's fatter brother and see if we could trade a 2nd or 3rd for him.


The fact is that competitively built NFL teams do not build depth as shallow as ours. Haynesworth's exceptional ability at DT does not provide additional depth beyond his roster spot.

We had the 4th rank defense without Haynesworth.

We both want the Skins to succeed! If you want to be disappointed that's fine and I understand the point you are making.

I simply choose to enjoy the offseason moves, and be excited for the quality players brought in.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

We had the 4th rank defense without Haynesworth.

We both want the Skins to succeed! If you want to be disappointed that's fine and I understand the point you are making.

I simply choose to enjoy the offseason moves, and be excited for the quality players brought in.

Well if they say they have Kool-Aid available at the offseason parade, just don't drink it.