Kiper, Mayock, or Mcshay?

GMScud · 04-25-2009, 10:20 AM

Sometimes Kiper gets on my nerves (I think it's the hair), but I don't dislike him. McShay is really solid IMO. I'm not sure if it's their delivery, but I feel like Mike Mayock is the best talent evaluator of the three. I really love his analysis during the scouting combine.

On a side note, the "Mock McShay" bit on Mike & Mike in the Morning was hilarious. "Hey McShay, are you related to Ryan Seacrest or are the hair and height a coincidence?" LOL! Great stuff.

Anyone see this article in the NY Times yesterday? Great read about Mel Kiper and his wife Kim. They run their entire business out of their home in Baltimore. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/24/sp...l/24kiper.html

poopoobigelow · 04-26-2009, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by celts32

I love Kiper...he's the best and the original. I think Mayock is really good though. McShay...no thanks.

Speaking of McShay...does anyone else find it odd that he seems to be on ESPN more then Mel leading up to the draft? Kiper seems to be so under utilized by ESPN. Not sure if thats his doing or ESPN's doing. Smoot?

from what i understand, ESPN is grooming mcshay and phasing out kiper... which lead kiper getting a little bit pissy towards mcshay when they started debating each other... which turned into them not liking each other, which lead to more venom between them...

i guess that ESPN likes their NFL gurus to be dicks to each other... and with clayton v salisbury over due to the cryptkeeper comments, they needed new guys to piss each other off...

i like them all, i guess... but, no one should put too much stock in their mocks, as i saw that last draft kiper got the most picks right out of the popular gurus, which something like 7 out of 31... my wife could probably get that many right just guessing...

SmootSmack · 04-26-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by poopoobigelow

from what i understand, ESPN is grooming mcshay and phasing out kiper... which lead kiper getting a little bit pissy towards mcshay when they started debating each other... which turned into them not liking each other, which lead to more venom between them...

i guess that ESPN likes their NFL gurus to be dicks to each other... and with clayton v salisbury over due to the cryptkeeper comments, they needed new guys to piss each other off...

i like them all, i guess... but, no one should put too much stock in their mocks, as i saw that last draft kiper got the most picks right out of the popular gurus, which something like 7 out of 31... my wife could probably get that many right just guessing...

They're definitely grooming McShay. But Kiper is one of the guys grooming him. I don't think they really have a problem with each other

skinsfan69 · 04-28-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

They're definitely grooming McShay. But Kiper is one of the guys grooming him. I don't think they really have a problem with each other

What's the deal with these two? It's like ESPN is trying to have rivals on their own network and it blew up in their face w/ Sean S. and Clayton. Just silly ass games and stuff. I pretty much stayed on NFLN. I'm so over Chris Berman. And maybe you can explain this.... Trent Dilfer is good and very knowledgable, but he just comes arcoss as overly dramatic when talking about QB's and it's sooooo evident that he has a hard on for Sanchez. Just annoying....

SmootSmack · 04-28-2009, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What's the deal with these two? It's like ESPN is trying to have rivals on their own network and it blew up in their face w/ Sean S. and Clayton. Just silly ass games and stuff. I pretty much stayed on NFLN. I'm so over Chris Berman. And maybe you can explain this.... Trent Dilfer is good and very knowledgable, but he just comes arcoss as overly dramatic when talking about QB's and it's sooooo evident that he has a hard on for Sanchez. Just annoying....

What's the deal with Kiper and McShay?

As for Dilfer, I haven't really noticed it. Guess I haven't watched him that much.

SmootSmack · 04-25-2009, 10:03 AM

I think they all offer something unique. Hard to say who I really prefer

KI Skins Fan · 04-25-2009, 10:33 AM

If I had to choose one, I'd say Kiper. That's because of his passion and his style. I love the faces he makes when a team makes a pick that he doesn't like. And he's the original media Draft Guru, as far as I know.

I think Mayock does great write-ups of his evaluations. McShay seems to be on top of all things concerning the NFL Draft. So, I enjoy what each of them has to offer.

Lotus · 04-25-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

If I had to choose one, I'd say Kiper. That's because of his passion and his style. I love the faces he makes when a team makes a pick that he doesn't like. And he's the original media Draft Guru, as far as I know.

I think Mayock does great write-ups of his evaluations. McShay seems to be on top of all things concerning the NFL Draft. So, I enjoy what each of them has to offer.

I agree somewhat. None of them are all correct or all wrong so it is good to have a plurality of voices.

If I had to choose just one, though, it would be Mayock in terms of both knowledge and style.

Eknox · 04-25-2009, 11:08 AM

I like Mayock, Mcshay's a douche and Kiper is very irritating..plus Mayock played the game

GTripp0012 · 04-25-2009, 11:13 AM

I think Mayock does the best work of the three. However, I think the wisdom in draft analysis comes not just in one unique opinion, but in the collective. As long as they develop their own opinions independent of each other, I think that the process is functional.

The Goat · 04-25-2009, 11:52 AM

Haha nice thread topic for a change. I prefer Kiper in both style and knowledge. He tends to relate things in terms of value more which is the a huge factor in the draft.

SmootSmack · 04-25-2009, 01:00 PM

I don't get this whole McShay is a douche thing. He's really not, not at all. He's actually a pretty good guy. And, like I said, always willing to help with anything.

BleedBurgundy · 04-25-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't get this whole McShay is a douche thing. He's really not, not at all. He's actually a pretty good guy. And, like I said, always willing to help with anything.

I don't think he comes across well on tv. There're times where I catch a segment that he's doing and his personality (or at least how it comes across) just rubs me the wrong way. Hard to put a finger on "likability."

SmootSmack · 04-26-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

I don't think he comes across well on tv. There're times where I catch a segment that he's doing and his personality (or at least how it comes across) just rubs me the wrong way. Hard to put a finger on "likability."

Got ya. I guess from my perspective, it's funny how I see people off camera and what we see of them on camera can be so different. There are guys we all probably think must be great to hang out with off-camera and those we can't stand. But sometimes the exact opposite ends up being true.

Eknox · 04-29-2009, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

I don't think he comes across well on tv. There're times where I catch a segment that he's doing and his personality (or at least how it comes across) just rubs me the wrong way. Hard to put a finger on "likability."

couldn't have said it better , I'm only referring to his TV personality, don't know him personally

04-25-2009, 10:20 AM	#1
GMScud Swearinger Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 12,626	Re: Kiper, Mayock, or Mcshay? Sometimes Kiper gets on my nerves (I think it's the hair), but I don't dislike him. McShay is really solid IMO. I'm not sure if it's their delivery, but I feel like Mike Mayock is the best talent evaluator of the three. I really love his analysis during the scouting combine. On a side note, the "Mock McShay" bit on Mike & Mike in the Morning was hilarious. "Hey McShay, are you related to Ryan Seacrest or are the hair and height a coincidence?" LOL! Great stuff. Anyone see this article in the NY Times yesterday? Great read about Mel Kiper and his wife Kim. They run their entire business out of their home in Baltimore. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/24/sp...l/24kiper.html __________________ Tardy

04-25-2009, 10:03 AM	#6
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Kiper, Mayock, or Mcshay? I think they all offer something unique. Hard to say who I really prefer __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

04-25-2009, 10:33 AM	#7
KI Skins Fan Pro Bowl Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Jacksonville, Forida Posts: 6,412	Re: Kiper, Mayock, or Mcshay? If I had to choose one, I'd say Kiper. That's because of his passion and his style. I love the faces he makes when a team makes a pick that he doesn't like. And he's the original media Draft Guru, as far as I know. I think Mayock does great write-ups of his evaluations. McShay seems to be on top of all things concerning the NFL Draft. So, I enjoy what each of them has to offer.

04-25-2009, 11:08 AM	#9
Eknox Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Flint,Mi Posts: 528	Re: Kiper, Mayock, or Mcshay? I like Mayock, Mcshay's a douche and Kiper is very irritating..plus Mayock played the game

04-25-2009, 11:13 AM	#10
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 38 Posts: 15,994	Re: Kiper, Mayock, or Mcshay? I think Mayock does the best work of the three. However, I think the wisdom in draft analysis comes not just in one unique opinion, but in the collective. As long as they develop their own opinions independent of each other, I think that the process is functional. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

04-25-2009, 11:52 AM	#11
The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,662	Re: Kiper, Mayock, or Mcshay? Haha nice thread topic for a change. I prefer Kiper in both style and knowledge. He tends to relate things in terms of value more which is the a huge factor in the draft. __________________ 24-34

04-25-2009, 01:00 PM	#12
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Kiper, Mayock, or Mcshay? I don't get this whole McShay is a douche thing. He's really not, not at all. He's actually a pretty good guy. And, like I said, always willing to help with anything. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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