the new health care?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

LOL...Hope you can afford your medical bills, we don't have universal healthcare yet.

Representative Democracy:


Ron Paul lost. I'm so sorry for your loss.

I currently pay around $650 per month for a family plan and I'm sure its much better and cheaper then anything the goverment can come up with. I do believe we need to overhaul health insurance I just don't want it run by the goverment.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I currently pay around $650 per month for a family plan and I'm sure its much better and cheaper then anything the goverment can come up with. I do believe we need to overhaul health insurance I just don't want it run by the goverment.

How can $650 a month be cheaper than free???

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[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I currently pay around $650 per month for a family plan and I'm sure its much better and cheaper then anything the goverment can come up with. I do believe we need to overhaul health insurance I just don't want it run by the goverment.

Yeah, because private health care providers aren't going to screw you like the government.

For the lazy and those who don't particularly care:

...The firm eventually pleaded guilty to charges that it overbilled state and federal health plans, paying a record $1.7 billion in fines.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

Yeah, because private health care providers aren't going to screw you like the government.

For the lazy and those who don't particularly care:

Hey thats just another arguement of why the goverment should not be involved in health ins.. It will be fill with fraud just like you kindly pointed out with your link.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Hey thats just another arguement of why the goverment should not be involved in health ins.. It will be fill with fraud just like you kindly pointed out with your link.

We have all heard of the $5,000 toilet seat. Get ready for the $5,000 sepository.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

Yeah, because private health care providers aren't going to screw you like the government.

For the lazy and those who don't particularly care:

Your article and point actually re-emphasize first's point.

The company was fined $ 1.7B, which means it probably overcharged at least 4x that amount. Over $ 6B. Do you think a private or public company would allow their insurance carrier to do this? Absolutely not! The billing would be scrutinized closely and if there were excessive overcharges the company would find a new insurer. Free market solves the problem.

However as firstdown pointed out, when you get Gov't involved they have a monopoly for certain programs. There is no option to change insurers. You have GS-5 & 7s reconciling the bills at the Fed or state agencies, and GS-13s playing office politics and hanging around until retirement, that's when this type of fraud goes unchecked.

Also, it's nice to see how much you respect folks who have a different view than you on the direction the current Administration and Congress is going (cocksuckers/teabaggers was the term, I believe). Disappointing.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Your article and point actually re-emphasize first's point.

The company was fined $ 1.7B, which means it probably overcharged at least 4x that amount. Over $ 6B. Do you think a private or public company would allow their insurance carrier to do this? Absolutely not! The billing would be scrutinized closely and if there were excessive overcharges the company would find a new insurer. Free market solves the problem.

However as firstdown pointed out, when you get Gov't involved they have a monopoly for certain programs. There is no option to change insurers. You have GS-5 & 7s reconciling the bills at the Fed or state agencies, and GS-13s playing office politics and hanging around until retirement, that's when this type of fraud goes unchecked.

Also, it's nice to see how much you respect folks who have a different view than you on the direction the current Administration and Congress is going (cocksuckers/teabaggers was the term, I believe). Disappointing.

Perhaps it's also time to privatize the military as it is currently inefficient and sustainable to fraud. Instead of blaming the government how about blaming the fraudsters? Your argument is no different than that of people who want to ban guns because they kill people.

I am sorry but I can't bring myself to respect people who think this country is heading down the toilet because of the new Administration and Congress. There's nothing to respect about these people's views. Nothing! What's disappointing is that somehow you think they should be respected.


To be honest I too want his kidneys to fail.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by saden1

LOL...Hope you can afford your medical bills, we don't have universal healthcare yet.

Representative Democracy:


Ron Paul lost. I'm so sorry for your loss.

You just backed up my argument dingus. Yeah, I pay for my own health care, nor would I want "free" medicine. Ron Paul was not nominated by a major party last time?

[saden1]

...and I want Rush's health to fail. Nothing personal...I just believe that failure of hate/fear mongers is going to be good for America.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

...and I want Rush's health to fail. Nothing personal...I just believe that failure of hate/fear mongers is going to be good for America.

Let me add my two cents, wishing death on someone because of differing political views makes you a jerk. Talk about hate mongering.

I used to respect many of the debates we had. I hope you're just having a bad day or something.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Let me add my two cents, wishing death on someone because of differing political views makes you a jerk. Talk about hate mongering.

I used to respect many of the debates we had. I hope you're just having a bad day or something.

This is not about political views, this is about "I hope Obama fails" and host of other offensive things he has said in the past. My feelings towards Rushbo shouldn't be narrowed in scope.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

This is not about political views, this is about "I hope Obama fails" and host of other offensive things he has said in the past. My feelings towards Rushbo shouldn't be narrowed in scope.

This is about political views. Rush has done nothing but state his political opinion. Has Rush said offensive and stupid things in the past, yes. However being on live, unscripted radio for over 20 years I'm sure he regrets some things he said. However to me this isn't about Rush Limbaugh.

This is about liberals being able to say whatever they want to crush any opposition to their ideals and then casting the opposition as the "evil, racist, hate-mongering right-wing extremists". Look at the venom toward Ms. CA, you may not agree with her views but what she said had no ounce of hate towards gays. Yet the "open-minded", "all-inclusive", "tolerant", "empathetic" liberals spewed every kind of insult at her with no backlash in the mainstream media. Rush makes a comment that is taken completely out of context and it's OK to wish death upon him. Flat-out, this mind-set is bullshit. Maybe we should just suspend the 1st ammendment for all conservative speech.

What's even worse is the President who said he would work to end the partisanship in DC got a great laugh off Sykes' comments.

Here's the complete transcipt of what Rush said:
HANNITY: Coming off record-ratings year for you, but you — you are a passionate conservative. You've defined conservatives for many people in this country for years. He represents the antithesis in terms of his world view.
So then the question becomes, do you want him to succeed?
LIMBAUGH: Now — this — I am so glad that he asked me that question. That you asked me this question.
HANNITY: I'm glad to.
LIMBAUGH: I'll tell you why. I am hearing many Republicans say that — well, we want him to succeed and prominent Republicans. Yes, we wanted — they have laid down. They have totally — they're drinking the Kool- Aid, too. They have no guts to stand up for what their beliefs are because they're afraid of criticism, they're afraid of being called racists, they're afraid of not having gotten with the program.
Now success can be defined two ways. I said earlier I don't know about this guy. I really don't. I've got my — I've got my suspicions, and they're pretty close to convictions, but we're going to have to wait to see what he does. Now if he turns out to be a Reagan, if he adds Reagan to his recipe of FDR and Lincoln, and if he does cut some taxes.
HANNITY: Yes.
LIMBAUGH: If he does not eliminate the Bush tax cuts, I would call that success. So yes, I would hope he would succeed if he acts like Reagan, but if he's going to do FDR, if he's going to do the new, new deal all over which we will call here the raw deal, why would I want him to succeed?
Look, he's my president. The fact that he is historic is irrelevant to me now. It matters not at all. I — if he is going to implement a far left — look it. I think it's already decided. $2 trillion in stimulus? The growth of government. I think the intent here is to create as many dependant Americans as possible looking to government for their hope and salvation.
If he gets nationalized health care, I mean, it's over, Sean. We're never going to roll that back. That's the end of America as we have known it because that's then going to set the stage for everything being government owned, operated, or provided.
Why would I want that to succeed? I don't believe in that. I know that's not how this country is going to be great in the future, it's not what made this country great.
So I shamelessly say, no, I want him to fail, if his agenda is a far- left collectivism, some people say socialism, as a conservative heartfelt, deeply, why would I want socialism to succeed?

The bolded part is what liberals fail to consider. The programs FDR implemented are one of the main reasons our government is so far in debt. Collectivism / socialism has left a trail of tens of millions dead in the USSR, China, Cambodia, etc. it doesn't have a great track record. European countries that have trended socialist for the most part have ridiculous tax rates and worse problems than we do. My belief is that Obama's agenda/programs may do irreperable harm to our country. I don't wish death upon him though.

I agree with Rush 100% on his statement, do you wish a painful death on me as well?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

This is about political views. Rush has done nothing but state his political opinion. Has Rush said offensive and stupid things in the past, yes. However being on live, unscripted radio for over 20 years I'm sure he regrets some things he said. However to me this isn't about Rush Limbaugh.

This is about liberals being able to say whatever they want to crush any opposition to their ideals and then casting the opposition as the "evil, racist, hate-mongering right-wing extremists". Look at the venom toward Ms. CA, you may not agree with her views but what she said had no ounce of hate towards gays. Yet the "open-minded", "all-inclusive", "tolerant", "empathetic" liberals spewed every kind of insult at her with no backlash in the mainstream media. Rush makes a comment that is taken completely out of context and it's OK to wish death upon him. Flat-out, this mind-set is bullshit. Maybe we should just suspend the 1st ammendment for all conservative speech.

What's even worse is the President who said he would work to end the partisanship in DC got a great laugh off Sykes' comments.

Here's the complete transcipt of what Rush said:
HANNITY: Coming off record-ratings year for you, but you — you are a passionate conservative. You've defined conservatives for many people in this country for years. He represents the antithesis in terms of his world view.
So then the question becomes, do you want him to succeed?
LIMBAUGH: Now — this — I am so glad that he asked me that question. That you asked me this question.
HANNITY: I'm glad to.
LIMBAUGH: I'll tell you why. I am hearing many Republicans say that — well, we want him to succeed and prominent Republicans. Yes, we wanted — they have laid down. They have totally — they're drinking the Kool- Aid, too. They have no guts to stand up for what their beliefs are because they're afraid of criticism, they're afraid of being called racists, they're afraid of not having gotten with the program.
Now success can be defined two ways. I said earlier I don't know about this guy. I really don't. I've got my — I've got my suspicions, and they're pretty close to convictions, but we're going to have to wait to see what he does. Now if he turns out to be a Reagan, if he adds Reagan to his recipe of FDR and Lincoln, and if he does cut some taxes.
HANNITY: Yes.
LIMBAUGH: If he does not eliminate the Bush tax cuts, I would call that success. So yes, I would hope he would succeed if he acts like Reagan, but if he's going to do FDR, if he's going to do the new, new deal all over which we will call here the raw deal, why would I want him to succeed?
Look, he's my president. The fact that he is historic is irrelevant to me now. It matters not at all. I — if he is going to implement a far left — look it. I think it's already decided. $2 trillion in stimulus? The growth of government. I think the intent here is to create as many dependant Americans as possible looking to government for their hope and salvation.
If he gets nationalized health care, I mean, it's over, Sean. We're never going to roll that back. That's the end of America as we have known it because that's then going to set the stage for everything being government owned, operated, or provided.
Why would I want that to succeed? I don't believe in that. I know that's not how this country is going to be great in the future, it's not what made this country great.
So I shamelessly say, no, I want him to fail, if his agenda is a far- left collectivism, some people say socialism, as a conservative heartfelt, deeply, why would I want socialism to succeed?

The bolded part is what liberals fail to consider. The programs FDR implemented are one of the main reasons our government is so far in debt. Collectivism / socialism has left a trail of tens of millions dead in the USSR, China, Cambodia, etc. it doesn't have a great track record. European countries that have trended socialist for the most part have ridiculous tax rates and worse problems than we do. My belief is that Obama's agenda/programs may do irreperable harm to our country. I don't wish death upon him though.

I agree with Rush 100% on his statement, do you wish a painful death on me as well?

With Rush the ballgame is entirely different. It's part political, part dickishness, part racist, part homophobic, part hypocrisy, etc, etc. The man is loathsome creature. Detestable to the bone due to reasons that one would hope are obvious. There's nothing to like about him that I can think of. His whole shtick boils down to this...."he's not my guy and I want him to fail. His ideas and policies are retarded. I'm for America and democrats are not."

Like Joe said, I'm a jerk just like Rushbo though I do believe my thoughts here more reasoned than El Rushbo. I could be wrong on that though and I request to be excused for not caring about this man's wellbeing.

[4mrusmc]

I can honestly say that I am not too surprised with some of the posts that I have read in this thread. This thing has the makings of getting out of hand, and I fear that some of us will not be able to be friends after this thread. So in an appeal to the friendly neigborhood moderator who will listen. PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD!!!

[budw38]

Great posts Slingin Sammy !