Indefinite detentions under Obama???

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Daseal is right, of course. But i think that in matters like these, it's not so much a detached discussion about right and wrong as it is about choosing a side. We're americans, so we need to look out for our own interests, not those of the rest of the world when the circumstances dictate that they are mutually exclusive. No one else is going to do us any favors in that regard and we really need to stop acting as if it is our moral duty to hold ourselves to a higher standard. Also... it's "indefinite" not indefinate.

I plead sickness on the title, I absolutely hate spelling mistakes!

Could a mod please fix it.

Thanks

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I plead sickness on the title, I absolutely hate spelling mistakes!

Could a mod please fix it.

Thanks

Well I have to tell you sorry in advance as my spelling sucks and I don't know how to add spell check to a site like this. Then I have grammer and other many issues. The good news is I have a secretary to do any letters but she can't do my posting.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well I have to tell you sorry in advance as my spelling sucks and I don't know how to add spell check to a site like this. Then I have grammer and other many issues. The good news is I have a secretary to do any letters but she can't do my posting.

why not? give her a small raise, and she's all set

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well I have to tell you sorry in advance as my spelling sucks and I don't know how to add spell check to a site like this. Then I have grammer and other many issues. The good news is I have a secretary to do any letters but she can't do my posting.

Actually, my browser gives me a redline for spelling and blue for grammar mistakes. I mostly ignore the grammar, but really do try to correct the spelling ones.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I plead sickness on the title, I absolutely hate spelling mistakes!

Could a mod please fix it.

Thanks

I was thinking of maybe banning you indefinitely as punishment...and as beautiful irony for this thread...but I'll fix it for you instead

[Daseal]

BleedBurgundy, I understand your stance -- but most of the civilized countries in the world have basically said 'we won't if you won't.' Fact is, if you're okay doing it to other people -- then you better be prepared for it to happen to us and not be able to bitch too much.

Well if we had Americans flying into buildings and doing terrorist stuff I would not give a rats ass what happene

Here's the problem with this, FD. Why are these people in Cuba being held? Because we have suspicions and that's it. If we had evidence we would be able to hold them legally under the constitution. However, we don't have evidence that the folks being held are terrorists.

If a CIA or FBI operative gets caught in say... Iran. Would you be fine if the Iranians tortured them to get information? If you're fine with that, then I have no gripe with your stance. If you're saying we can torture potential terrorists and they can't -- then we have an issue.

CRedskins -- I'm well aware of the MIA / POW stats. My grandmothers first husband is MIA from Korea. To me, it comes down to one thing. Equality on both sides. Do unto others as you would want others to do unto you. If you're pro torture, I can understand and respect that as long as you're fine with Americans being tortured when captured.

[Trample the Elderly]

I say we follow the Geneva Convention. Since these people are un-uniformed fighters they should be tried and shot. Just like the convention says we have a right to do.

[Monksdown]

To what end are we holding these prisoners? Further information? And at what point do they become human and actually have some rights. If you can't build a case to prosecute, then i think it's a human rights violation to continue to detain them. Again, my original question: To what end?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Daseal

BleedBurgundy, I understand your stance -- but most of the civilized countries in the world have basically said 'we won't if you won't.' Fact is, if you're okay doing it to other people -- then you better be prepared for it to happen to us and not be able to bitch too much.


Here's the problem with this, FD. Why are these people in Cuba being held? Because we have suspicions and that's it. If we had evidence we would be able to hold them legally under the constitution. However, we don't have evidence that the folks being held are terrorists.

If a CIA or FBI operative gets caught in say... Iran. Would you be fine if the Iranians tortured them to get information? If you're fine with that, then I have no gripe with your stance. If you're saying we can torture potential terrorists and they can't -- then we have an issue.

CRedskins -- I'm well aware of the MIA / POW stats. My grandmothers first husband is MIA from Korea. To me, it comes down to one thing. Equality on both sides. Do unto others as you would want others to do unto you. If you're pro torture, I can understand and respect that as long as you're fine with Americans being tortured when captured.

No we captured most of them on the battle fields in Affiganistan while fighting them. The problem is we know they are terrorist but the only evidence we really have is they where fighting against us. So we know by the fact we caught them on the battlefield their bad guys but we have no real evidence that they are organized terrorist. Thats the whole big deal about not allowing them trials like we have here in the US and even Obama must know this is a problem with the stance he is now taking.

[Monksdown]

So they are guilty of fighting foreign invaders trying to hunt down terrorists that their government was associated with. After drilling these guys for information, there is no point in detaining them.

If you've really got a hard on for punishing these guys, why not send them back to Afghanistan. We're going to be there for the next 20 years killing the Taliban anyway.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

So they are guilty of fighting foreign invaders trying to hunt down terrorists that their government was associated with. After drilling these guys for information, there is no point in detaining them.

If you've really got a hard on for punishing these guys, why not send them back to Afghanistan. We're going to be there for the next 20 years killing the Taliban anyway.

The CIA has allready confirmed that a good number of the ones that we have let go we have gone back with the terrorist. If I'm correct most of these guy's are not citzens of Afghanistan.Some Freed Terrorism Detainees Return to the Fight - US News and World Report

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

So they are guilty of fighting foreign invaders trying to hunt down terrorists that their government was associated with. After drilling these guys for information, there is no point in detaining them.

If you've really got a hard on for punishing these guys, why not send them back to Afghanistan. We're going to be there for the next 20 years killing the Taliban anyway.

These guys were the terrorists. They were part of the Taliban and Al Qeada. They were not local tribal folks just firing on "invaders" or part of the Afghan army defending their country.

There is a huge point to keeping these guys detained. Once they are released they will rejoin with either their original terrorist ties or form new ones with cells in whatever country they're released to. From there they will kill innocents.

[Monksdown]

Just to clarify.

Being a member of the Taliban militia doesn't make you a member of Al Queda.

Yes they support them. I'm relatively sure that decision isn't made at the 15 year old fresh recruit level.

[Trample the Elderly]

This why the US stopped winning wars.

[saden1]

If the glove don't fit you must acquit. No one ever said being president is easy but being a bad president is easier. I am confidant that Obama will put them on trial and I'm willing to put money on it. It may take some time to build a case against certain detainees but it will happen.