Why Haven't We Signed Brian Brohm

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Carnage

Brohm was projected to be a top 5 pick if he came out early. He lost sooo much money.

I love when people say things like that. Like how Sam Bradford would have been a top 5 pick but now he is hurt and his stock will drop. It is impossible to know where a player would have been drafted when they never went through the entire pre-draft evaluation process. We should all know from following the draft so closely how dynamic the process is and how worthless preseason draft "projections" are.

On Brohm. He is certainly an intriguing name, but at least as intriguing is how a team would cut a second round pick after only one year and instead keep a sixth round pick with very limited physical skills. You'd have to believe he would be better than Woodson, but you'd also have to put him on the active roster if he is on Green Bay's PS. Others have mentioned Meredith, he is a guy I would not mind having here and dropping Batiste. Rather have him than Brohm, but I did not see either play at all in the preseason.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I love when people say things like that. Like how Sam Bradford would have been a top 5 pick but now he is hurt and his stock will drop. It is impossible to know where a player would have been drafted when they never went through the entire pre-draft evaluation process. We should all know from following the draft so closely how dynamic the process is and how worthless preseason draft "projections" are.

On Brohm. He is certainly an intriguing name, but at least as intriguing is how a team would cut a second round pick after only one year and instead keep a sixth round pick with very limited physical skills. You'd have to believe he would be better than Woodson, but you'd also have to put him on the active roster if he is on Green Bay's PS. Others have mentioned Meredith, he is a guy I would not mind having here and dropping Batiste. Rather have him than Brohm, but I did not see either play at all in the preseason.

I would slightly disagree with you. There is always a bit of more guaranteed money(bonus) for the players selected high. Also if a high pick lays a dud, they usually get a couple years to prove themselves. After which the player is cut.

Between that 2-3 years plus bonus, there is quite a bit of money to be made as a high pick. And not entering the draft, that is money lost. Of course there is a cost-benefit analysis one must do. For example, Tim Tebow is really helping himself staying another year(barring injury). He wasn't projected overly high. I think the projections matter.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by hooskins

I would slightly disagree with you. There is always a bit of more guaranteed money(bonus) for the players selected high. Also if a high pick lays a dud, they usually get a couple years to prove themselves. After which the player is cut.

Between that 2-3 years plus bonus, there is quite a bit of money to be made as a high pick. And not entering the draft, that is money lost. Of course there is a cost-benefit analysis one must do. For example, Tim Tebow is really helping himself staying another year(barring injury). He wasn't projected overly high. I think the projections matter.

Yeah, where you are picked matters, but that is not what I was saying. My point is that where "everyone" thinks a player is going to be picked does not matter at all because it is all hype until the actual NFL evaluation process kicks into gear. So for someone to say, "if Brian Brohm entered the draft after his junior year he would have been a top 10 pick" is a completely unverifiable statement and based entirely on media/fan hype.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I love when people say things like that. Like how Sam Bradford would have been a top 5 pick but now he is hurt and his stock will drop. It is impossible to know where a player would have been drafted when they never went through the entire pre-draft evaluation process. We should all know from following the draft so closely how dynamic the process is and how worthless preseason draft "projections" are.

On Brohm. He is certainly an intriguing name, but at least as intriguing is how a team would cut a second round pick after only one year and instead keep a sixth round pick with very limited physical skills. You'd have to believe he would be better than Woodson, but you'd also have to put him on the active roster if he is on Green Bay's PS. Others have mentioned Meredith, he is a guy I would not mind having here and dropping Batiste. Rather have him than Brohm, but I did not see either play at all in the preseason.

It happens all the time in the NFL. It happened here when Gus beat out Heath and turned out to be the better pro. Brohm looked like a can't miss coming out of Louisville. He played in a pro offfense for several years and put up big numbers and ran the offense very well. But for what ever reason that doesn't trranslate into the pro game. Alex Smith got beat out by Shawn freakin Hill. I still shake my head at that one. lol.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by celts32

Actually, he was the name that intrigued me more then any other cut this weekend. He was a top NFL prospect 2 years ago after his JR year with Bobby Petrino. His 1st year in the league was also spent learning the West Coast Offense with Green Bay. I am not saying that he's going to take Jasons job or anything but I think he is worth a spot at the end of the roster. I would much rather be developing a QB with the 53rd spot then keeping a 3rd string Mason who contributes nothing to special teams.

Prospect means nothing unless you show something during the process of you being a player in the NFL. Colt & Chase were Heisman candidates. We just cut one of them and put the other one on IR. So what are you really saying? Woodson on the other hand had many accolades also. Could have sworn at one point he was in Heisman contention. So just to say we should sign Brohm because he was a top prospect is ridiculous.

Also if in case you haven't notice. The Redskins aren't into grooming QB's from rookies. Our fan base and ownership are too impatient and we will never use the word "rebuilding" for that matter.

Mason will contribute to special teams "he has no choice". He is our insurance policy because Betts hasn't been productive and Rock doesn't really service us at RB. So the need for him being on the roster is more pressing. Especially if anything happens to Portis. He will get just as many touches if CP gets injured as Betts in my opinion. Betts is good for catching the ball out of the backfield. That's why he is here and because he is a vet and knows the offense. Other than that he is not a threat at RB. That is why Mason is here.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Prospect means nothing unless you show something during the process of you being a player in the NFL. Colt & Chase were Heisman candidates. We just cut one of them and put the other one on IR. So what are you really saying? Woodson on the other hand had many accolades also. Could have sworn at one point he was in Heisman contention. So just to say we should sign Brohm because he was a top prospect is ridiculous.

Also if in case you haven't notice. The Redskins aren't into grooming QB's from rookies. Our fan base and ownership are too impatient and we will never use the word "rebuilding" for that matter.

Mason will contribute to special teams "he has no choice". He is our insurance policy because Betts hasn't been productive and Rock doesn't really service us at RB. So the need for him being on the roster is more pressing. Especially if anything happens to Portis. He will get just as many touches if CP gets injured as Betts in my opinion. Betts is good for catching the ball out of the backfield. That's why he is here and because he is a vet and knows the offense. Other than that he is not a threat at RB. That is why Mason is here.

agreed. good post.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Prospect means nothing unless you show something during the process of you being a player in the NFL. Colt & Chase were Heisman candidates. We just cut one of them and put the other one on IR. So what are you really saying? Woodson on the other hand had many accolades also. Could have sworn at one point he was in Heisman contention. So just to say we should sign Brohm because he was a top prospect is ridiculous.

Also if in case you haven't notice. The Redskins aren't into grooming QB's from rookies. Our fan base and ownership are too impatient and we will never use the word "rebuilding" for that matter.

Mason will contribute to special teams "he has no choice". He is our insurance policy because Betts hasn't been productive and Rock doesn't really service us at RB. So the need for him being on the roster is more pressing. Especially if anything happens to Portis. He will get just as many touches if CP gets injured as Betts in my opinion. Betts is good for catching the ball out of the backfield. That's why he is here and because he is a vet and knows the offense. Other than that he is not a threat at RB. That is why Mason is here.

The Heisman is a college award...it has nothing to do with being an NFL prospect. Brohm was a top NFL prospect 1 yr ago. Colt and Chas were marginal NFL prospects as evidence by their draft position. As for Mason...Zorn said today that Mason will not even be active unless he improves on special teams or they have an injury.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by celts32

Actually, he was the name that intrigued me more then any other cut this weekend. He was a top NFL prospect 2 years ago after his JR year with Bobby Petrino. His 1st year in the league was also spent learning the West Coast Offense with Green Bay. I am not saying that he's going to take Jasons job or anything but I think he is worth a spot at the end of the roster. I would much rather be developing a QB with the 53rd spot then keeping a 3rd string Mason who contributes nothing to special teams.

Yet another Mason bashing. Ya now I wouldn't have as much problem with people bashing Mason as long as they gave the flip side to the arguement....."I'd rather be developing a QB also with the 53 spot then keeping a 3rd string Cartwright who contributes nothing to the offense."

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Yet another Mason bashing. Ya now I wouldn't have as much problem with people bashing Mason as long as they gave the flip side to the arguement....."I'd rather be developing a QB also with the 53 spot then keeping a 3rd string Cartwright who contributes nothing to the offense."

Actually I would have preferred they cut Betts. I don't dislike Mason...i just don't think he adds anything to the team other then a 3rd string RB. He's not playing special teams, he's not a change of pace RB. He's simply a 3rd stringer that only becomes usefull if Portis or Betts go down. As for Brohm...it's really not a big deal but I do think he is a QB worth taking a look at based on his scouting report from a year ago. QB's take time to develop...just because GB gave up it doesn't mean he has no chance.

[GMScud]

I wish I could say I'm surprised that this thread has nearly 40 responses, but alas, I'm not.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by celts32

Actually I would have preferred they cut Betts. I don't dislike Mason...i just don't think he adds anything to the team other then a 3rd string RB. He's not playing special teams, he's not a change of pace RB. He's simply a 3rd stringer that only becomes usefull if Portis or Betts go down. As for Brohm...it's really not a big deal but I do think he is a QB worth taking a look at based on his scouting report from a year ago. QB's take time to develop...just because GB gave up it doesn't mean he has no chance.

I'll agree Mason is a poor mans version of Betts. I would have prefered they cut Betts also, but on the flip side as much as people want to argue that Mason is "one dimensional" I see Cartwright as being the same thing in reverse. He is not the 3rd string RB for nothing. He never see's the field as a RB for no reason. He just is not good at being a RB and actually has no value to the offense. All he is, is a glorified KR. Perhaps a good takler. I would argue his better role would be as a Safety since he can tackle well. But in the end he does nothing else except KR. He does not even PR. I mean if he's supposed to be good at one thing taking a ball that was kicked and getting atleast 25.6 yrds per carry then stick him on PR duty also. Unless he sucks at that also.

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I'll agree Mason is a poor mans version of Betts. I would have prefered they cut Betts also, but on the flip side as much as people want to argue that Mason is "one dimensional" I see Cartwright as being the same thing in reverse. He is not the 3rd string RB for nothing. He never see's the field as a RB for no reason. He just is not good at being a RB and actually has no value to the offense. All he is, is a glorified KR. Perhaps a good takler. I would argue his better role would be as a Safety since he can tackle well. But in the end he does nothing else except KR. He does not even PR. I mean if he's supposed to be good at one thing taking a ball that was kicked and getting atleast 25.6 yrds per carry then stick him on PR duty also. Unless he sucks at that also.

I do see your point, but it doesnt change anything with Betts on the roster. Betts and Mason are fairly similar, in that they are really #2 RB's, where as Rock can play teams like the other 2 cannot/dont. This gives Rock value that neither Betts/Mason has.......yet. And there is no way he could play safety, although that might be pretty funny. Rock also scares me with how he catches the ball over his head sometimes on kick returns. On a punt return someone would pop the crap out of him, and he wouldnt hold onto the ball. Punt returners are also usually quick/shifty, where as Rock has that straight ahead style. It works on KR, but I dont think he would do well with PR.

So basically your just gonna have to wait, Betts and/or Rock wont be here next year, and Mason will get an even better shot at contributing. The #2 RB is the backup, and the #3 HAS to play special teams. He either has to pass up Betts(wont happen with these coaches), or learn to play ST's so he can bump Rock from the active roster. Mason knows ST's is his weakness, or really tackling specifically, so this might happen sooner or later.

And I dont feel Rock doesnt see carries at RB because he cannot do it, we can barely get Betts enough carries to contribute, let alone the #3. Hopefully this will change, so CP isnt worn down come the last 3-4 games of the season.

I think you might see Mason pretty soon, Betts doesnt have a good history of staying healthy. I could see Mason possibly taking his job if Betts opens the door.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I think that this would be the best signing we could make. We could cut Williams or Batiste and sign him. For that matter cut Mason. This guy was a second round draft choice and he has played fairly well this preseason. Then next year we would have him and Colt and maybe even Woodson competing for the one, two or three spots depending on how Campbell does this season. Another guy we could sign is Jamon Meredith of GB's practice squad. He could develop into a good left tackle.

OMG put down your crack pipe. Brohm sucked this pre season and that's what got him cut. Like it or not JC is our best option this year and probably next year at QB. Woodson, Colt and Brohm competing for #1 next year?? Yeah right. lol.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

OMG put down your crack pipe. Brohm sucked this pre season and that's what got him cut. Like it or not JC is our best option this year and probably next year at QB. Woodson, Colt and Brohm competing for #1 next year?? Yeah right. lol.

Well, he was a top talent in last years draft. If you watched the games he was under tremendous pressure when he played bad. He would be a real value at this point. Give me a break, if you think that Batiste or Mason are better or offer more potential then Brohm. Jason played good two games and still could not throw a TD pass. This is his last chance to show he belongs in DC and it comes by default. I am pulling for him, but his production has been dismal, in the red zone. Brett Farve and Kurt Warner were came from similar situations. Brohm was a real considered a top talent just one year ago. GB also has Mat Flynn and Maybe they had to make a choice between to good young quarterbacks. Sometimes teams make mistakes, like we did with Trent Green.

[roth74va]

Id pass on Brohm, no thanks!