DC Pro Sports: Smoke Signals, Mike Holmgren to DC?, and more coming

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

You don't? Detroit, Oakland after Al Davis keels over, the options for him to repair bad teams are all over the place.

He'd never work for Snyder. And being in the NFC East won't endear him to us.

All over the place? You just named two. And last I checked, Al Davis isn't dead and Parcells is pretty old himself. Parcells doesnt have time to wait around if he wants to go to another team. Detroit just got a new GM last year, so they wont be making a change any time soon. Detroit and Oakland will never have the prestige of being in the NFC-East, the place where Parcells spent most of his glory years. If you ask me, the #1 team on Parcells list would be washington, so long as Snyder stayed out of his way and he had total control.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I dont think we, as fans, will be satisfied with ANY coach that comes under the current front office structure. To be honest, Gruden is the only "big name" coach I can even think of coming here under the certain structure, and he is, by far, my least favorite of all the names getting tossed around.

Personally, I wont be happy unless we land a GM who has total control and wont listen to snyder AND a proven head coach. I'll list the "realistic" combinations of guys i'd want in descending order. And by realistic, i mean given what could happen if Snyder decides to completely step out of the picture and turn this thing over. If he doesn't, then no combination of GMs and coachs will either a) want to come here, or b) be successful.

GM / HC
1. Parcells / Cowher
2. Shottenheimer / Cowher
3. Parcells / Shanahan
4. Holmgren / Shanahan
5. Holmgren / Gruden
6. Cerrato / Shanahan
7. Cerrato / Holmgren

Bottom line is that if the Skins really want to turn things around, they need a new coach, new GM and a new QB. Barring a miracle, there will at least be a new coach and QB. Hopefully, they come to their senses and bundle in a real GM.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I dont think we, as fans, will be satisfied with ANY coach that comes under the current front office structure. To be honest, Gruden is the only "big name" coach I can even think of coming here under the certain structure, and he is, by far, my least favorite of all the names getting tossed around.

Personally, I wont be happy unless we land a GM who has total control and wont listen to snyder AND a proven head coach. I'll list the "realistic" combinations of guys i'd want in descending order. And by realistic, i mean given what could happen if Snyder decides to completely step out of the picture and turn this thing over. If he doesn't, then no combination of GMs and coachs will either a) want to come here, or b) be successful.

GM / HC
1. Parcells / Cowher
2. Shottenheimer / Cowher
3. Parcells / Shanahan
4. Holmgren / Shanahan
5. Holmgren / Gruden
6. Cerrato / Shanahan
7. Cerrato / Holmgren

Mine:
1) Schottenheimer/Brian Schottenheimer
2) Schottenheimer/Cowher
3) ?/Shanahan
4)Holmgren/?

I just like M.Schottenheimer's scouting and won't take any crap attitude, and Brian Schottenheimer appears to know what he's doing since he's turned the Jets around in yards and scoring. Cowher has worked with Schottenheimer before and think they might be able to put something good together. I know Shanahan was a decent coach but I wonder how much of it was he had great Asst. Coach's helping him. Could he bring those people to DC? Holmgren.....I just don't get a warm fuzzy feeling. Although he took Seatle to the play offs he struggled his last few yrs. What that reason is I'm not sure but it worries me that our problems we have now with some of the primadana attitudes might carry over with him somehow associated with the team. I guess if he was brought in as GM he would not have as much hands on which I guess could be ok. So who would be his HC? Cowher? I don't think they run come from the same tree and could they get along? Maybe Holmgren/Gruden. Atleast they would understand each other and know what talent is needed to run their Scheme.

^Sorry I was thinking out loud.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Mine:
1) Schottenheimer/Brian Schottenheimer
2) Schottenheimer/Cowher
3) ?/Shanahan
4)Holmgren/?

I just like M.Schottenheimer's scouting and won't take any crap attitude, and Brian Schottenheimer appears to know what he's doing since he's turned the Jets around in yards and scoring. Cowher has worked with Schottenheimer before and think they might be able to put something good together. I know Shanahan was a decent coach but I wonder how much of it was he had great Asst. Coach's helping him. Could he bring those people to DC? Holmgren.....I just don't get a warm fuzzy feeling. Although he took Seatle to the play offs he struggled his last few yrs. What that reason is I'm not sure but it worries me that our problems we have now with some of the primadana attitudes might carry over with him somehow associated with the team. I guess if he was brought in as GM he would not have as much hands on which I guess could be ok. So who would be his HC? Cowher? I don't think they run come from the same tree and could they get along? Maybe Holmgren/Gruden. Atleast they would understand each other and know what talent is needed to run their Scheme.

^Sorry I was thinking out loud.

I like Shottenheimer alot as well. Honestly, the best chance of success this organization ever had before was when Shottenheimer was in charge. I honestly think this organization is coming to a cross-roads. The economy is bad, so that, coupled the skins suing their fans over tickets and a decade of disfunction may actually motivate fans to get snyder where it hurts - his wallet. If i'm not mistaken, we had close to a record-low attendance at last Sundays game. Snyder seems oblivous to the fact that the way he's been running things is the root of the franchises problem. I really get the feeling that his eyes are about to be opened.

[SmootSmack]

Holmgren seems to really miss coaching and has apparently indicated that while he'd like control of the personnel he's not so tied to the idea of being GM and head coach (if anything I'd rather he be GM and bring in a young guy to be head coach).

I really don't want Shanahan as a GM. I'd rather he be head coach and let Vinny stay where he is (or bump up Mo Brown)

[MTK]

I don't even see Chucky coming here under the current FO setup. I think he would push to bring Bruce Allen as GM.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't even see Chucky coming here under the current FO setup. I think he would push to bring Bruce Allen as GM.

Allen is scheduled to be on Sirius NFL Radio this afternoon around 5 and they said they were going to ask him (among other things) about the 'offensive consultant' in DC and his opinion of it. It should be interesting to hear how he handles it. If I listen, I'll post a recap.

[Paintrain]

FYI from today's ESPN Chat with Mort:

Originally Posted by Mort's chat

Follow up to Zorn/Redskins - if Snyder hires one of the big names you mentioned (Holmgren, Shanahan, Cowher, Gruden), do you think he'll give up organizational control and cut ties with Cerrato? I can't see Bill Cowher listening to Vinny, for example.
Chris Mortensen
(12:06 PM)

If that happens, Cerrato would be more than willing to yield. He's done that before, with Joe Gibbs. Vinny is a team player.

I think Snyder is more willing to make changes to appease a potential HOF coach (Shanny, Holmgren, Cowher) than he would for Gruden or a lesser name HC.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

FYI from today's ESPN Chat with Mort:

I think Snyder is more willing to make changes to appease a potential HOF coach (Shanny, Holmgren, Cowher) than he would for Gruden or a lesser name HC.

Mort makes a good point, I don't think Vinny is the problem either. It's up to Danny, he's the one that would have to be able to play nice in the sandbox.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Mort makes a good point, I don't think Vinny is the problem either. It's up to Danny, he's the one that would have to be able to play nice in the sandbox.

And he owns the sandbox

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by mattyk72

mort makes a good point, i don't think vinny is the problem either. It's up to danny, he's the one that would have to be able to play nice in the sandbox.

uh-ho

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

If he did come, maybe he would as a GM like Parcells? Or a GM/Coach tutor to Zorn?

If Sherm Lewis improves this offense through his "consultations" why wouldn't we promote him to head coach and demote Zorn so he can focus on Campbell (if he is still here -- honestly I would let Collins go and keep JC as a back up *Note -- Uncapped season). Before we say age. He is 67 and Holmgren is 61. Not that much of a difference. He learned from Bill Walsh. So honestly he would have just as much or more knowledge than Holmgren. I wouldn't mind seeing Holmgren as GM and Sherm as Coach or vice versa. Zorn will have to get in where he fits in or bye bye!! Seems like Sherm has a great relationship with Blache....

Only time will tell...

[Meks]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

If Sherm Lewis improves this offense through his "consultations" why wouldn't we promote him to head coach and demote Zorn so he can focus on Campbell (if he is still here -- honestly I would let Collins go and keep JC as a back up *Note -- Uncapped season). Before we say age. He is 67 and Holmgren is 61. Not that much of a difference. He learned from Bill Walsh. So honestly he would have just as much or more knowledge than Holmgren. I wouldn't mind seeing Holmgren as GM and Sherm as Coach or vice versa. Zorn will have to get in where he fits in or bye bye!! Seems like Sherm has a great relationship with Blache....

Only time will tell...

promote sherman to head coach?
has the same as.. or MORE knowledge than Holmgren??

let collins go (un-capped year) and keep JC as a back - up??


nahhh man, i can't disagree more with those statements.

holmgren has uber-experience....
Holmgren 10+> Sherman at HEAD COACH for us.

maybe OC ... but not HC...

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

If Sherm Lewis improves this offense through his "consultations" why wouldn't we promote him to head coach and demote Zorn so he can focus on Campbell (if he is still here -- honestly I would let Collins go and keep JC as a back up *Note -- Uncapped season). Before we say age. He is 67 and Holmgren is 61. Not that much of a difference. He learned from Bill Walsh. So honestly he would have just as much or more knowledge than Holmgren. I wouldn't mind seeing Holmgren as GM and Sherm as Coach or vice versa. Zorn will have to get in where he fits in or bye bye!! Seems like Sherm has a great relationship with Blache....

Only time will tell...

You bring up an interesting point... I dont think anyone, Snyder included, thinks Zorn as a QB Coach or even offensive coordinator (who didnt call plays and merely helped devise gameplans) would be a problem. Do you think Zorn would accept an in-season demotion to QB coach, while Blache took over as HC? I certainly think this team is better with Zorn (in some capacity) than it is without him.

[TheSmurfs22]

Cowher is a long shot. I think he would prefer to go to Carolina should the job become available.