Future/Rebuild/Good News?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Angry

I like your offensive plan and I almost 100% agree, but I am not about to get into a JC pissing contest again.

I know that some people are happy with the Defense, but I would make one change. I would put Brian Orakpo on the DL where he belongs opposite of Jarmin and pick up a true SAM via FA or draft one late. Yeah ,that pretty much means that Carter and Daniels would be gone or have to accept a reduced role.

In regards to JC, ...thank you. I like him but something is not working. I agree with you in regards to the defense.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I heard it before but didn't think about it till you mentioned it but do you think maybe the dinner with Gibbs was to ask him if he would be the next GM? Didn't Gibbs supposedly say he wouldn't mind working in a front office job some day? If not then I hope Gibbs was laying it on the line with the slap in the face honesty so DS knows his best bet to get one of the remaining decent HC's is to get a decent GM and make whoever he's interested in as HC know he's backing way off now.

I think we did pretty good on defense this yr. but what would happen if Zorn or whoever, labled Phillip Daniels on IR? He only gets a part of his salary right? Can we go out and pick up someone else or does Daniels still count against our CAP as a whole?

The offense as I see it is not as bad a fix as others believe, or so I think.

WR-we are set with Kelly, Thomas,and Mitchell maybe bring in another late rounder or2.

RB-keep Mason, Alridge and dump the rest. maybe look for a late round ground pounder.

TE-we are set with Cooley/Davis, someone teach Davis to control the ball or can him.

QB-dump Collins, trade JC for a pick(hopefully), look to draft a QB. Keep Colt and the new guy.

OL-take a LT in 1st round and RT in 2nd. If we don't pick a QB. Cut our losses with the aged OL. Keep the young guys. Start building a young healthy fast OL.

Save any defensive moves for later rounds and UFA's.

Why would you think we are set at the WR spot when they have done nothing in 2 years. You then say keep Mason & Alridge but they have done nothing and it must be something there becaseu other teams have not gone after them. TE we should be OK. How can we get a pick for JC when his contract is up and even if it wasn't we might get a 16th round for him.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Why would you think we are set at the WR spot when they have done nothing in 2 years. You then say keep Mason & Alridge but they have done nothing and it must be something there becaseu other teams have not gone after them. TE we should be OK. How can we get a pick for JC when his contract is up and even if it wasn't we might get a 16th round for him.

Because Kelly and Thomas were in most teams eyes #1 or #2 round caliber players. I guess they could be a bust but I'd rather keep them as well as Mitchell and let a qualified NFL WR's coach work with them and see if we can or can not get any production from them. I just can't believe that over the last 8-9 yrs we can't find any decent talent and develope it. Yet other teams like the Eagles, Giants, Dallas, Atlanta, and others find a way to get their rookie WR's on the field and actually produce, yet we find a way to pick only non productive WR's year after year. Something is wrong with that picture.

[Trample the Elderly]

After a lot of thinking I've come to the conclusion that I really can't take much more of this. If they don't get a GM then I've got to go.

The Redskins team that I grew up with is gone forever. This slight-of-hand that took it's place isn't worth a minute of my time.

I haven't given up completely on this team but there isn't much left. I feel sorry for the players but their bank accounts helps to soothe them. What do we fans get besides humble pie?

For years people have said this team has no identity. They're wrong. The identity of the Washington Redskins is Dan Snyder's bull-shit fantasy football team. It's a fucking shame but it isn't the end of the world, or football.

[CultBrennan59]

lets hope sam bradford falls to us, and we get a decent Tackle with our second rounder

[Chico23231]

I think the most important in rebuilding is first getting rid of Vinny and hiring a GM that will keep Snyders' opinions, as just f-ing opinions and not decisions. It all starts there. We have the talent no doubt and I like the group of young guys you highlight as guys who can be a core. I think, and this is the first time I have said it, but we need to part with JC and Portis. We need a new offense all together and at the skill positions we need to turn these guys loose and look for some guys who can be real leaders on the offensive unit.

[skinsfan69]

I mentioned this in another thread but does anyone know the contract situation w/ Kevin Kolb?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I mentioned this in another thread but does anyone know the contract situation w/ Kevin Kolb?

Free agent after next season. Why him?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Free agent after next season. Why him?

Well he looks like he's ready to be a starter.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well he looks like he's ready to be a starter.

Kind of a small sample size to base it on don't you think? I'm not convinced he's a better choice than Campbell at this point.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Kind of a small sample size to base it on don't you think? I'm not convinced he's a better choice than Campbell at this point.

very small sample size. but i think just about every position on offense needs competition.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Well what more is there to say about this season? It has, in my eyes, ended before it could even get started. So lets look at the positives.

*Jim Zorn is on his way out. One way or the other he's done.

*Dan Snyder isn't stupid. If he could ever get his ego in check we'd have a good football team. Let's cross our fingers and hope he gets it soon. The writing is on the wall and all fingers point back to him and Cerrato. Fans are leaving this team or they just don't care anymore. I've talked to them in Richmond (big Skins town) and this is the case from my experience.

*I don't think that Vinny has much time left. We have drafted a few O-Linemen over the past ten years but few have panned out, although some of the D-lineman have. His hit and miss talent evaluation game is done IMO.

*Like it or not this is rock bottom. Don't even try to argue. When you get beat by the Lions you're done. Accept it and move on.

*I think a lot of players are going to want to leave by the end of the season. Some already do, IE Carlos Rogers.

This might be bad news to some; to me this is great news. Why?

* It all starts at the top. If Danny can get his ego in check and turn this organization to a competent above average GM, then it would be a start. You don't make that kind of money being a fool. He took a huge step back after Gibbs left. Now he's having dinner with . . . . Gibbs? He has to look in the mirror and man up. You know he hears it. Jimmie Johnson has said it, commentators say it, fans say it, players say it, newspapers say it, everyone is saying it. This is your fault, you grifter mother effer.

* Vinny and Zorn can hit the bricks together.

* There is a big possibility that next year will be uncapped. Teams wouldn't be hurt as bad picking up a good Skins player for draft picks. The bad blood can leave for another team. We can cut guys we're tied to that are unproductive.

* We've talked about how old our team is for a long time now. I've looked at the roster and we've a lot of young guys that could be the back bone of a rebuilt team, not to mention guys that are still in their prime. IE: Doughty, Horton, Tryon, McIntosh, Blades, Jarmon, Orakpo, Wilson, Golston, Montgomery, Haynesworth. Notice I didn't put any offensive players in that list. IMO opinion we should trade Cooley for draft picks to use on the o-line. I like the guy but it pains me see his talent go wasted. He is about the only player another team would want.

* The coaches can hit the bricks too. Let the new GM pick who he wants, not some hodge podge of coaches picked by Vinny and Danny.

This is all theoretical but for me this has been long enough. If Danny doesn't man up then I will, and switch to another team until he sells the Redskins. That's good news to me. Why should anyone waste their time watching this BS? Enough is enough, no more excuses!

If you know more about football or this organization than I do, no stretch there, then chime in.

What Sayeth The Mob?

I think you're right. We're just not that talented on Offense. There are 31 teams that DO NOT want Jason Campbell as their long term starting QB, Santana Moss as their primary WR, Clinton Portis as their #1 RB or any of our Offensive Linemen. Cooley is probably the only player on Offense that other teams covet. Maybe Sellers as well, although he's getting up there in age, as is Samuels. The entire Offense needs to be re-built.

[KLHJ2]

Smootsmack beat me to it. No reason to have 2 posts with the same information. Please enjoy the immage.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Trample the Elderly:

Why are you so sure Danny Boy is hampered solely by his ego? Because he made a lot of money in industry? By that logic, Bill Gates would be a GREAT NFL owner who would win all the time.


Why are you sure that Vinny will be gone next year? Recall that Vinny has survived years of 5-11 that were as brutally ugly as these first few weeks of 2009 have been - - and he is still here. Vinny is Danny Boy's racket ball opponent; Vinny enables Danny Boy's urge to meddle and to treat the team as a fantasy football team. What makes you sure Danny Boy wants him gone? The last time Vinny was gone was that horrible time when Marty Schottenheimer ran the team and wouldn't let Danny Boy do anything except sit in the owners' box. That ain't happenin' again...


This is not true of every player on the roster but it is true about a whole lot of them: They are here for the payday they get from signing with Danny Boy and they don't care as much about the Burgandy and Gold as half the fans do. You think a bunch have checked out on the season; you are absolutely right. But they aren't going to leave town with any time left on their fat contracts unless they are kicked out by whomever makes the personnel decisions here - - and that would be Vinny and Danny Boy the guys who signed them in the first place.


If you think I'm exaggerating in that last point, look at the games so far this year. Is Albert Haynesworth playing like a guy who is WORTH a $100M contract with $40+M guaranteed? He's not playing badly; he's actually playing well; but worth that much? Same goes for a boatload of other FAs who come in here and play just hard enough to keep their jobs. It's been happening for a while now; only Vinny and Danny Boy don't seem to notice.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Trample the Elderly:

Why are you so sure Danny Boy is hampered solely by his ego? Because he made a lot of money in industry? By that logic, Bill Gates would be a GREAT NFL owner who would win all the time.


Why are you sure that Vinny will be gone next year? Recall that Vinny has survived years of 5-11 that were as brutally ugly as these first few weeks of 2009 have been - - and he is still here. Vinny is Danny Boy's racket ball opponent; Vinny enables Danny Boy's urge to meddle and to treat the team as a fantasy football team. What makes you sure Danny Boy wants him gone? The last time Vinny was gone was that horrible time when Marty Schottenheimer ran the team and wouldn't let Danny Boy do anything except sit in the owners' box. That ain't happenin' again...


This is not true of every player on the roster but it is true about a whole lot of them: They are here for the payday they get from signing with Danny Boy and they don't care as much about the Burgandy and Gold as half the fans do. You think a bunch have checked out on the season; you are absolutely right. But they aren't going to leave town with any time left on their fat contracts unless they are kicked out by whomever makes the personnel decisions here - - and that would be Vinny and Danny Boy the guys who signed them in the first place.


If you think I'm exaggerating in that last point, look at the games so far this year. Is Albert Haynesworth playing like a guy who is WORTH a $100M contract with $40+M guaranteed? He's not playing badly; he's actually playing well; but worth that much? Same goes for a boatload of other FAs who come in here and play just hard enough to keep their jobs. It's been happening for a while now; only Vinny and Danny Boy don't seem to notice.

It's just my opinion on Danny. I don't know the man but I can see what he's done with this team. He makes good financial transactions outside of football or he'd not be able to afford to buy the Skins in the first place. When you fire the only guy who wants the job and has the respect of the team (Williams) that points to ego. When you replace Al Saunders with a QB coach, that is just stupidity. Danny may have other problems, but his ego is the most transparent. Gibbs may have many flaws, but he did leave something that could be built upon. Why tear it apart?

As far as Vinny goes that's my opinion too. They pay way too much for such a bust? You'd think they'd learn their lesson. That would be the only good news for me. Everyone knew we had offensive problems but we add no offensive line men?

No, I didn't think Haynesworth was worth the money, but that was a deal compared to Dockerry and Hall.

I'm just saying what will be good news for me. If I don't see a mix up in management I'm out.