Gotta love Riggo: Tells Vinny to go do radio fulltime

[mcarey032]

Vinny may not be in Radio. He will probably go back to ESPN. The sad thing about this is that Vinny may be an OK general manager, but given the fact that Snyder is so involved with personnel that you will only assume that Vinny is an idiot and Snyder only gets involved in the bigger deals when it comes to free agents.

I am not suggesting for one minute that Cerrato is a genius, but Snyder is using him as his mouthpiece and therefore making Vinny look bad. I guess if Vinny had any self-respect he would quit this job a long time ago. But how hard can it be when you get paid to do what your boss wants and just take the lightning hits for the owner's bad decisions.

[Hog1]

As has been stated before, VC seems to be an average talent guy....maybe, but not the worst. But the most common denominator in our current debacle is VC, and DS. MR. DS ain't leavin'. Sooo, the only thing to do is ditch VC, and stonewall DS with a tough empowered GM..............and then....I woke up
There's no place like home.......

[PennSkinsFan]

The biggest failure of both has been the absolute failure to address the offensive line. Everyone, fans, analsyts, you name it, knew the Redskins oline was aging and that the depth behind the aging vets was dismal. Now we are paying the price.

[SkinDogg]

Originally Posted by PennSkinsFan

The biggest failure of both has been the absolute failure to address the offensive line. Everyone, fans, analsyts, you name it, knew the Redskins oline was aging and that the depth behind the aging vets was dismal. Now we are paying the price.

Yep, and everyone knew this LAST YEAR, early on. And so Snyder blows $41 mill, guaranteed, on a overweight wheezing hypochondriac. We coulda bought some Hogs with that change.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SkinDogg

Yep, and everyone knew this LAST YEAR, early on. And so Snyder blows $41 mill, guaranteed, on a overweight wheezing hypochondriac. We coulda bought some Hogs with that change.

But if I'm the Redskins (and I'm not) I would counter with well we drafted Rinehart in the 3rd round in 2008 with the expectation he would develop into our RG starting in 2009 given the opportunity, we went younger at LG with a proven starter in Derrick Dockery, we signed two other veteran starters in Mike Williams and Jeremy Bridges (who can play both G/T), we've made a commitment to youth on our interior with Edwin Williams and Will Montgomery. So it's not like we ignored the offensive line. We have targeted offensive linemen as often (if not more often) these past 10 years than our predecessors did the 10 years before.

All to which I would counter back with why did you bench Rinehart after two games then, why didn't you keep Jeremy Bridges, and why is your back-up LT (to a guy you knew you had to "monitor" because of his knee) a guy who's bounced around the league for years. Your problem isn't addressing the line, it's how you address it.

And then they would say Smoot what happened to us? We used to be so close? Was it something we did? Something we said?

And I would say Just don't talk to me right now. I can't look at you

And then they would say if that's how you feel, maybe we should just call this whole thing off

And then I would say no, wait sorry come back. It's not you, it's just, it's just it's so frustrating right now what's happening

And then they would say we understand, how about if we do something like name Bruce Allen President, Jimmy Raye III General Manager, Pete Carmichael or hey maybe even Brian Schottenheimer head coach, draft a couple of OTs and a RB, maybe trade for a QB...would that make you feel better?

And then I'd give a little smile and say I guess so...and we'd hug it out

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But if I'm the Redskins (and I'm not) I would counter with well we drafted Rinehart in the 3rd round in 2008 with the expectation he would develop into our RG starting in 2009 given the opportunity, we went younger at LG with a proven starter in Derrick Dockery, we signed two other veteran starters in Mike Williams and Jeremy Bridges (who can play both G/T), we've made a commitment to youth on our interior with Edwin Williams and Will Montgomery. So it's not like we ignored the offensive line. We have targeted offensive linemen as often (if not more often) these past 10 years than our predecessors did the 10 years before.

All to which I would counter back with why did you bench Rinehart after two games then, why didn't you keep Jeremy Bridges, and why is your back-up LT (to a guy you knew you had to "monitor" because of his knee) a guy who's bounced around the league for years. Your problem isn't addressing the line, it's how you address it.

And then they would say Smoot what happened to us? We used to be so close? Was it something we did? Something we said?

And I would say Just don't talk to me right now. I can't look at you

And then they would say if that's how you feel, maybe we should just call this whole thing off

And then I would say no, wait sorry come back. It's not you, it's just, it's just it's so frustrating right now what's happening

And then they would say we understand, how about if we do something like name Bruce Allen President, Jimmy Raye III General Manager, Pete Carmichael or hey maybe even Brian Schottenheimer head coach, draft a couple of OTs and a RB, maybe trade for a QB...would that make you feel better?

And then I'd give a little smile and say I guess so...and we'd hug it out

Damn SS, the season is taking its toll on you. Self conversations resulting in a self-hug? Damn you Snyderatto, you've claimed another victim!

I have wondered the past few days if Cerrato has any conscience and will fall on his own sword and move to a non-personnel position. I really doubt it but between him and Danny I'd hope one or the other would realize a bigger change needs to be made.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Damn SS, the season is taking its toll on you. Self conversations resulting in a self-hug? Damn you Snyderatto, you've claimed another victim!

I have wondered the past few days if Cerrato has any conscience and will fall on his own sword and move to a non-personnel position. I really doubt it but between him and Danny I'd hope one or the other would realize a bigger change needs to be made.

lol!

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But if I'm the Redskins (and I'm not) I would counter with well we drafted Rinehart in the 3rd round in 2008 with the expectation he would develop into our RG starting in 2009 given the opportunity, we went younger at LG with a proven starter in Derrick Dockery, we signed two other veteran starters in Mike Williams and Jeremy Bridges (who can play both G/T), we've made a commitment to youth on our interior with Edwin Williams and Will Montgomery. So it's not like we ignored the offensive line. We have targeted offensive linemen as often (if not more often) these past 10 years than our predecessors did the 10 years before.

All to which I would counter back with why did you bench Rinehart after two games then, why didn't you keep Jeremy Bridges, and why is your back-up LT (to a guy you knew you had to "monitor" because of his knee) a guy who's bounced around the league for years. Your problem isn't addressing the line, it's how you address it.

And then they would say Smoot what happened to us? We used to be so close? Was it something we did? Something we said?

And I would say Just don't talk to me right now. I can't look at you

And then they would say if that's how you feel, maybe we should just call this whole thing off

And then I would say no, wait sorry come back. It's not you, it's just, it's just it's so frustrating right now what's happening

And then they would say we understand, how about if we do something like name Bruce Allen President, Jimmy Raye III General Manager, Pete Carmichael or hey maybe even Brian Schottenheimer head coach, draft a couple of OTs and a RB, maybe trade for a QB...would that make you feel better?

And then I'd give a little smile and say I guess so...and we'd hug it out

Smoot, tell your boss to feature this on "sunday conversation." this is the voice of skins nation. good stuff!

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But if I'm the Redskins (and I'm not) I would counter with well we drafted Rinehart in the 3rd round in 2008 with the expectation he would develop into our RG starting in 2009 given the opportunity, we went younger at LG with a proven starter in Derrick Dockery, we signed two other veteran starters in Mike Williams and Jeremy Bridges (who can play both G/T), we've made a commitment to youth on our interior with Edwin Williams and Will Montgomery. So it's not like we ignored the offensive line. We have targeted offensive linemen as often (if not more often) these past 10 years than our predecessors did the 10 years before.

All to which I would counter back with why did you bench Rinehart after two games then, why didn't you keep Jeremy Bridges, and why is your back-up LT (to a guy you knew you had to "monitor" because of his knee) a guy who's bounced around the league for years. Your problem isn't addressing the line, it's how you address it.

And then they would say Smoot what happened to us? We used to be so close? Was it something we did? Something we said?

And I would say Just don't talk to me right now. I can't look at you

And then they would say if that's how you feel, maybe we should just call this whole thing off

And then I would say no, wait sorry come back. It's not you, it's just, it's just it's so frustrating right now what's happening

And then they would say we understand, how about if we do something like name Bruce Allen President, Jimmy Raye III General Manager, Pete Carmichael or hey maybe even Brian Schottenheimer head coach, draft a couple of OTs and a RB, maybe trade for a QB...would that make you feel better?

And then I'd give a little smile and say I guess so...and we'd hug it out

lol...this is exactly how it feels right now.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But if I'm the Redskins (and I'm not) I would counter with well we drafted Rinehart in the 3rd round in 2008 with the expectation he would develop into our RG starting in 2009 given the opportunity, we went younger at LG with a proven starter in Derrick Dockery, we signed two other veteran starters in Mike Williams and Jeremy Bridges (who can play both G/T), we've made a commitment to youth on our interior with Edwin Williams and Will Montgomery. So it's not like we ignored the offensive line. We have targeted offensive linemen as often (if not more often) these past 10 years than our predecessors did the 10 years before.

All to which I would counter back with why did you bench Rinehart after two games then, why didn't you keep Jeremy Bridges, and why is your back-up LT (to a guy you knew you had to "monitor" because of his knee) a guy who's bounced around the league for years. Your problem isn't addressing the line, it's how you address it.

And then they would say Smoot what happened to us? We used to be so close? Was it something we did? Something we said?

And I would say Just don't talk to me right now. I can't look at you

And then they would say if that's how you feel, maybe we should just call this whole thing off

And then I would say no, wait sorry come back. It's not you, it's just, it's just it's so frustrating right now what's happening

And then they would say we understand, how about if we do something like name Bruce Allen President, Jimmy Raye III General Manager, Pete Carmichael or hey maybe even Brian Schottenheimer head coach, draft a couple of OTs and a RB, maybe trade for a QB...would that make you feel better?

And then I'd give a little smile and say I guess so...and we'd hug it out

the problem is the depth behind the starters is pure garbage. when a starter goes down the drop off is too big to over come. let's face it. we all knew samuels and thomas... given their history were not going to be able to play a full season. so you bring in a guy who hasn't played in two years that is 400 lbs?? wtf???? plus if rinehart could play he'd be in there. he can't pass block. bridges, e.williams and montgomery? below average journey men at best. and heyer can't play at this level...gaines admas showed us that. maybe we could've picked up a linemen w/ that 2nd rounder that went to miami for j.taylor.

[drew54]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

maybe we could've picked up a linemen w/ the 2nd rounders we wasted on Kelly Davis and Thomas

There fixed that for you.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

the problem is the depth behind the starters is pure garbage. when a starter goes down the drop off is too big to over come. let's face it. we all knew samuels and thomas... given their history were not going to be able to play a full season. so you bring in a guy who hasn't played in two years that is 400 lbs?? wtf???? plus if rinehart could play he'd be in there. he can't pass block. bridges, e.williams and montgomery? below average journey men at best. and heyer can't play at this level...gaines admas showed us that. maybe we could've picked up a linemen w/ that 2nd rounder that went to miami for j.taylor.

And now with Chris Samuels out we've gone and....re-signed Glenn Pakulak to the practice squad! I mean OMG, WTF, YGTBFKM, SPIFTL...seriously Cerrato and Mo Brown? Seriously? C'mon you can do better than that...can't you?

Meanwhile, Schefter says Langston Walker should be signing with the Raiders today

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But if I'm the Redskins (and I'm not) I would counter with well we drafted Rinehart in the 3rd round in 2008 with the expectation he would develop into our RG starting in 2009 given the opportunity, we went younger at LG with a proven starter in Derrick Dockery, we signed two other veteran starters in Mike Williams and Jeremy Bridges (who can play both G/T), we've made a commitment to youth on our interior with Edwin Williams and Will Montgomery. So it's not like we ignored the offensive line. We have targeted offensive linemen as often (if not more often) these past 10 years than our predecessors did the 10 years before.

In the prior 10 years, we spent high draft choices on Samuels, Jansen, and a few years before that, Cory Raymer and Tre Johnson. Yes, during this 10 year stretch, we got Randy Thomas and Casey Rabach as FA's in their prime, but other than drafting Dockery in the 3rd round, I can't think of another successful O-lineman that we've drafted since Samuels. The one year that Marty ran our draft, I thought that he made a fatal mistake when he passed on Steve Hutchinson and selected Rod Gardner. Samuels, Hutchinson, and Jansen would have been the 2nd coming of The Hogs.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

In the prior 10 years, we spent high draft choices on Samuels, Jansen, and a few years before that, Cory Raymer and Tre Johnson. Yes, during this 10 year stretch, we got Randy Thomas and Casey Rabach as FA's in their prime, but other than drafting Dockery in the 3rd round, I can't think of another successful O-lineman that we've drafted since Samuels. The one year that Marty ran our draft, I thought that he made a fatal mistake when he passed on Steve Hutchinson and selected Rod Gardner. Samuels, Hutchinson, and Jansen would have been the 2nd coming of The Hogs.

I was thinking more along the lines of

1999-2009 drafts
Jon Jansen (1st)
Chris Samuels (1st)
Derrick Dockery (3rd)
Chad Rinehart (3rd)
Michael Moore (4th)
Mark Wilson (5th)
Derek Smith (5th)
Jim Molinaro (6th)
Reggie Coleman (6th)
Kili Lefotu (7th)

And I'll add Stephon Heyer and Edwin Williams because they may have been drafted in the 8-12 rounds of yesteryear. Plus trading for Pete Kendall and signing Rabach and Randy Thomas

1988-1998 (and I realize it's not exactly 10 years) Drafts

Andre Johnson (1st)
Tre Johnson (2nd)
Corey Raymer (2nd)
Joe Patton (3rd)
Moe Elewonibi (3rd)
Paul Sevier (3rd)
Greg Huntington (5th)
Mark Fischer (5th)
Brad Badger (5th)
Brian Thure (6th)
Darryl Moore (8th)
Henry Brown (10th)
Mark Schlereth (10th)
Matt Elliott (12th)

And the great trade for Jim Lachey. So in each time frame, 10 draft picks in the first 7 rounds. Of course, that doesn't justify the selections or the trades made that prevented us from even having the opportunity to draft more linemen. Just a quirkly little fact I suppose

The early 80s were probably worse. Beathard had some brutal picks and rarely went OL, but when he did he of course hit it big.

[TheSmurfs22]

Love Riggo! Had the opportunity to meet him before the Superbowl against the Dolphins. He is still my all time favorite athlete.