brett favre

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

He should retire for once and for all, he might be a great QB, but he makes boneheaded decisions at critical moments. If he comes back he just might have a three peat in interceptions in the divisional playoffs (GB, Minn., ??)

Great point.
I was rooting for the Saints to beat the Vikes almost as much as I was rooting for the Vikes to beat Dall-ass. I've had enough Favre. Had the Vikes won, it would've been two weeks of "All-Favre, All-the-time". At this point the guy is a self-serving egomanic. The game isn't all about him, there are 45+ other guys on the roster who are doing everything they can to win as well. He did a number on GB, did a number on the Jets, and who knows how he'll leave the Vikes this off-season....will he return, won't he, will we know before training camp? The guy was fun to watch.....up until about 4 years ago. The act is old, end the damn show.

I also hope at the owners meetings they take out some of the numby-pamby rules to protect the QBs. This whole "driving into the ground" thing is completely subjective except in the most severe cases (the OL shouldn't be letting the DL get clean shots on the QB anyway). The hand to the head thing is another sissy rule that is only an issue in the most severe cases. If a player is taking a blatant cheap shot, hit him with an unsportsmanlike and throw him out. If a DL is working his hind-quarters off to get to the QB and his hand grazes the QB's helmet or he makes a solid tackle on the QB and drives him to the ground (it's proper technique anyway), let it go. Don't turn the NFL into the NBA.

[redsk1]

I don't think Favre cost them the game. The many fumbles cost them the game. Sure, he made a bad mistake but there were a # of errors that led them to that point. He got beat up pretty bad last night.

If he wants to play, more power to him. The Vikes have got a real good team and could make it back to the Championship next year.

[MTK]

I hope he comes back, he proved this year he can still play at a very high level.

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

When i think of Bret Favre, i imagine how i would feel if Darrell Green spent his last two years with the Dallas Cowboys... I usually black out and wake up with something in the room smashed to bits and dried up snot under my nose. I'm sorry, but i just can't get over what he did. I'm all about loyalty and the fans. Right or wrong, the fans are the reason you get paid to play the best game ever made. If he's better than Aaron Rogers, then he should've BEAT Aaron Rogers and reclaimed the starting spot that HE GAVE UP and took the team that stood by him all that time. Art Monk was a Jet too, yeah, but he didn't go to the Cowboys after that! I was giggling my butt off when Suisam missed those fieldgoals in the CowGirl/Vikings playoff game!

[Mc2guy]

Originally Posted by Beneil (diehard since 87)

When i think of Bret Favre, i imagine how i would feel if Darrell Green spent his last two years with the Dallas Cowboys... I usually black out and wake up with something in the room smashed to bits and dried up snot under my nose. I'm sorry, but i just can't get over what he did. I'm all about loyalty and the fans. Right or wrong, the fans are the reason you get paid to play the best game ever made. If he's better than Aaron Rogers, then he should've BEAT Aaron Rogers and reclaimed the starting spot that HE GAVE UP and took the team that stood by him all that time. Art Monk was a Jet too, yeah, but he didn't go to the Cowboys after that! I was giggling my butt off when Suisam missed those fieldgoals in the CowGirl/Vikings playoff game!

Dude...where have you been? The Packers told Favre they didn't want him back. He would have come back to the Pack if management hadn't basically told him to take a hike. The also didn't want him playing in the division, which is why he went to the Jets last year.

As for his legacy, say what you want, the Vikings aren't in that game without Favre. His passing numbers this year were sick, and the Vikes went from being a running team to a passing team this year due to a decline of their o-line and running back play. He made a bad throw...one that he wouldn't of had to make if 3 different players other than him hadn't fumbled the ball during the game.

I am no Favre apologist...he makes some stupid throws at times, but you can't tell me he isn't one of the top 5 qb's in the game right now, even at 40...look at his numbers, look at the team wins. And for those claiming he isn't a leader, go talk to his players in Minnesota right now and I'd bet a months salary they'd give a different story.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I hope he comes back, he proved this year he can still play at a very high level.

I agree. And for those of you criticizing Favre for the INT (and those in previous years), all i have to say to you is this:

1) Minnesota wouldn't have even made the playoffs with Tavaris or Sage as thier QB. AP has been a non-factor most of the year. Favre pretty much carried the team on his back all year.

2) Favre didnt lose the game with his INT. The Vikings defense and special teams lost the game by allowing the saints to start from their own 40 in OT and drive all the way to the vikings 30 to give the Saints an easy FG.

3) Favres had what: 8-9 INTs compared to almost 40 TDs all season (including playoffs). what more do you want from a QB?

4) Favre didn't lose the game - the vikings offense as a whole lost the game for putting the ball on the ground 6 times. The only reason the Vikings were even in this game despite the turnovers was Favre.

5) The Vikings O-line was HORRIBLE. COMPLETELY. UTTERLY. HORRIBLE. The saints front 7 is not that good. Even our horrid O-line did a better job of protecting Campbell than the Vikings' did protecting Favre.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I agree. And for those of you criticizing Favre for the INT (and those in previous years), all i have to say to you is this:

1) Minnesota wouldn't have even made the playoffs with Tavaris or Sage as thier QB. AP has been a non-factor most of the year. Favre pretty much carried the team on his back all year.

2) Favre didnt lose the game with his INT. The Vikings defense and special teams lost the game by allowing the saints to start from their own 40 in OT and drive all the way to the vikings 30 to give the Saints an easy FG.

3) Favres had what: 8-9 INTs compared to almost 40 TDs all season (including playoffs). what more do you want from a QB?

4) Favre didn't lose the game - the vikings offense as a whole lost the game for putting the ball on the ground 6 times. The only reason the Vikings were even in this game despite the turnovers was Favre.

I agree with everything you say, and yet I also see the stat that Favre's last throw with the Packers, Jets, and (so far) the Vikings were INT's. This last pass, he should have and could have pulled it down, or thrown it away. It definitely is a case of a guy wanting to win so bad he forgets what got him in the game this year. To me it's a shame that such a great career gets marred by these plays.

[53Fan]

I agree that there should be some rule changes which brings me to this question that maybe someone can help me with. I thought after Brady got hit low and was injured a year or two ago, the rules were changed so that it was illegal to hit a QB around the knee area. In fact I've seen it enforced even when it was impossible for the defender to stop. Favre was clearly hit low on the sack he appeared to get hurt on and the defender was clearly not trying to hold up. There was no flag, what am I missing?

[SolidSnake84]

Yeah...i agree with Mc2Guy...Ted Thompson and the Packers basically told Brett to go get F*cked in 2008....so he had to play with the jets because he wanted to play still

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Yeah...i agree with Mc2Guy...Ted Thompson and the Packers basically told Brett to go get F*cked in 2008....so he had to play with the jets because he wanted to play still

Don't believe the Favre-spin on the whole situation. The guy expected GB to bend over and kiss his ass....after he retired, the draft went by and he said he was staying retired, off-season conditioning goes by and he says he's staying retired.....Then July rolls around (conveniently after off-season conditioning) and now he wants to be the unconditional starter or an unconditional release....F-Favre, give me a break.

Thompson won't cut Favre, but GM deflects blame in ordeal - USATODAY.com

SI.com - NFL - Former Packers QB Brett Favre not considering comeback - Friday April 4, 2008 10:54AM

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Don't believe the Favre-spin on the whole situation. The guy expected GB to bend over and kiss his ass....after he retired, the draft went by and he said he was staying retired, off-season conditioning goes by and he says he's staying retired.....Then July rolls around (conveniently after off-season conditioning) and now he wants to be the unconditional starter or an unconditional release....F-Favre, give me a break.

Thompson won't cut Favre, but GM deflects blame in ordeal - USATODAY.com

SI.com - NFL - Former Packers QB Brett Favre not considering comeback - Friday April 4, 2008 10:54AM

That's when my sympathy for Favre plummeted. Everyone else could understand that the Packers had to consider their future, Rodgers was approaching possible free agency, etc. But Favre couldn't.

It must have been hard for Unitas to be let go so that he had to play in San Diego. It must have been hard for Montana to pass the torch in San Fran and move on to KC. But neither of those guys acted like a big entitled baby, which was Favre's response.

[BringBackJoeT]

Originally Posted by Lotus

That's when my sympathy for Favre plummeted. Everyone else could understand that the Packers had to consider their future, Rodgers was approaching possible free agency, etc. But Favre couldn't.

It must have been hard for Unitas to be let go so that he had to play in San Diego. It must have been hard for Montana to pass the torch in San Fran and move on to KC. But neither of those guys acted like a big entitled baby, which was Favre's response.

I'm decidedly in this camp as well, and I'm actually surprised at the level of sympathy he's generated for what happened with the Packers '08 season. That story begins with Favre informing the Packers that he was through playing football, and somehow the Packers' management ultimately gets faulted for having believed him. On few other occasions have I felt more convinced of contrived humility than when Favre tearfully proclaimed during his first retirement press conference that he hoped the Green Bay Packers organization believed that every dime they spent on him was worth it (as if the organization's, and the sports world's, glorification of his play was already pervasively evident--was he so utterly humble that he wanted us to believe he didn't notice it?!). I was even more confident of my first impression when only a few months later he orchestrated that ridiculous dramatic return to Green Bay, what with the preannounced landing at the airport and the arrival at Lambeau Field for the Family Night event, with the obvious aim to exploit the adoration that he tried to seem oblivious to in that retirement press conference in the hope that the organization's management would be public-pressured in to bending to his will. They didn't. Damn good for them.

I similarly was rooting against Favre last night. I understand that this thread is about his play, and yes, I agree, he played his heart out. But I'm still happy the egomaniacal Favre lost.

[skinsfaninok]

I think Favre is a top 3 qb in NFL history.. And yes he should come back

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I think Favre is a top 3 qb in NFL history.. And yes he should come back

So if you're the GM of a team and you can have ANY all-time great, in his prime, which of these would you take Favre instead of:

Sammy Baugh
Sonny Jurgensen
Joe Montana
Steve Young
John Elway
Johnny Unitas
Dan Mario
Dan Fouts
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Troy Aikman
Otto Graham
Bart Starr
Jim Kelly

[Mc2guy]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

So if you're the GM of a team and you can have ANY all-time great, in his prime, which of these would you take Favre instead of:

Sammy Baugh
Sonny Jurgensen
Joe Montana
Steve Young
John Elway
Johnny Unitas
Dan Mario
Dan Fouts
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Troy Aikman
Otto Graham
Bart Starr
Jim Kelly

If were building a modern-era team (which would exlude Unitas, Graham, Baugh, and maybe Starr), I'd put him in front of all of them except Manning, Young, and Montana, and tied with Marino. One factor you must consider is durability. Do I want the guy who will give me the single greatest game? (Warner could qualify for that one). Or do I want the guy who will give me the greatest decade? If the latter, you have to give more credit for Favre's durability and consistently high-level of play over a long period.