Spurrier Absolved?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

I think you are kind of proving my point. With Marvin Lewis we had a top 10 defense (were we seventh?) and finished 7-9. Without him we were 5-11, in spite of adding more talent. Had Marvin Lewis not gotten the Cincinatti job, it would have been interesting to see how the team would have been.

Lewis wasn't going to fix the major protection problems we had on offense though.

Spurrier was supposed to be an offensive genius, instead he was very overmatched by NFL defensive coordinators who read his offense like a children's book.

[Daseal]

Let me ask you all something. Assume for a moment (I know you all have problems when I ask you to do this) that we had the defense last year we have this year. Coordinators et al. You think we would have been shy of the playoffs? I certainly don't.

I know Spurriers biggest problem was he didn't surroung himself with NFL guys. That's all about to change!

[Daseal]

Spurrier has been nothing but a classy guy while fans run all over him up and down constantly. He hasn't said anything negative about the players or organization, he's been in the area but tried to keep a low key. Spurrier was a modest man who took the blame on himself first. I love when he did it he was seen as some sort of fool and that all the problems stemmed from him. Now Gibbs is some sort of moral icon for doing it and none of the problems stem from him.

[Redskins_P]

I have nothing against Spurrier at all. I wish him nothing but the best. I also wish he would've succeeded here, but unfortunately he didn't. I admit, I was so excited when I found out he was coming to coach here and if he had still had Marvin Lewis, I think he would've stuck around. Unfortunately, that never happened and he walked away......


All Spurrier needed was some assistants with NFL experience, a good RB (imagine if he would've had Portis) and maybe a GM. If he ever comes back to the NFL, I believe he can succeed but he's gotta surround himself with some proven NFL assistants.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Spurrier has been nothing but a classy guy while fans run all over him up and down constantly. He hasn't said anything negative about the players or organization, he's been in the area but tried to keep a low key. Spurrier was a modest man who took the blame on himself first. I love when he did it he was seen as some sort of fool and that all the problems stemmed from him. Now Gibbs is some sort of moral icon for doing it and none of the problems stem from him.

I completely agree with you Daseal, and one thing I've never understood is the ferocity with which the media attacked him. He is a great coach who wound up in the perfectly wrong situation IMO. Or you may think he is a bad coach who lucked his way into that national championship. But the point is, he is a class act who doesn't deserve to be villified the way he is.

[MTK]

The fans have a problem with Spurrier because of his 12-20 record, not because anybody thought he lacked class. I wish him the best wherever he goes.

And again, 3 Super Bowl wins and your bust in Canton is going to buy you patience and respect from the fans. Fair or not, Gibbs is going to get the benefit of the doubt because he's already proven himself in this league.

There's really no comparing the two. They're both cut from different molds and Spurrier hasn't done jack in the NFL to deserve any respect from the fans.

[Daseal]

I dont know about a GM. He wanted Hall, Morton, Coles, Ramsey, etc. Got em' all!

[NY_Skinsfan]

I have to admit Spurrier did pick up some great players, especially Coles and Ramsey. Does Coles ever give interviews after a game? I am curious to hear what he says about the poor passing and just plain poor offense in general. His numbers aren't even half of what they were last year and I know that has somewhat to do with his toe injury but when we watches the balls sail over his head and behind him he's got to be thinking, "Come on!"

[skinsguy]

Spurrier MAY have figured out the NFL if he had stayed a bit longer. I think he was starting to realize that it was going to take more time and effort than what he thought at first. However, to say that he's been vendicated by our 2 -5 start with Gibbs is rather silly. Heck, we might win the rest of our games but even if we don't, Gibbs knows what he's doing and the game hasn't passed him by. To establish something solid and something that will be a true contender, it takes time. Sure we could probably easily have a winning record and could possibly even make the playoffs this year, but still this year is about finding out who is going to be true Redskins and who is in it for the long haul. I can't stress enough how people need to be paitent because Gibbs does know what he's doing and the time, effort, and the great coaching staff that has surround him...it's almost impossible to think he'll fail.

[ZackMills]

Spurrier has been nothing but a classy guy while fans run all over him up and down constantly. He hasn't said anything negative about the players or organization, he's been in the area but tried to keep a low key. Spurrier was a modest man who took the blame on himself first. I love when he did it he was seen as some sort of fool and that all the problems stemmed from him. Now Gibbs is some sort of moral icon for doing it and none of the problems stem from him.

Great post

[MTK]

You won't find a classier guy than Gibbs

[Daseal]

Matty, that's true. I'm curious to see how Gibbs would react to half of the negative press Spurrier had though.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Matty, that's true. I'm curious to see how Gibbs would react to half of the negative press Spurrier had though.

You don't think Gibbs is getting grilled right now??

All I see are people saying what a mistake Brunell is and how stubborn he is by sticking by him. I've seen him ripped for poor clock and game management. On a weekly basis Wilbon goes into the other teams' locker room just to ask them how bad Brunell is. Anywhere you go now, sports radio, the papers, the internet, you'll hear people ripping on him.

Gibbs is feeling the heat. Maybe not as much as Spurrier, but Spurrier left himself open to more alot more criticism partly because of the cocky attitude he had coming into the job. Spurrier didn't seem to have a plan, talk about a flip-flopper.

One week he would say he needs to run more, the next week he would say he's got to play his style of ball more and pass, then he would go back to needing to run more, he regularly switched QB's, and on and on. His indecisiveness made him an easy target with the media. His awww shucks reponses also made him easier to attack.

[NY_Skinsfan]

If I'm not mistaken, I think I remember Ramsey layed out on his back far too often due to Spurrier's Offensive "Genius." Gibbs maximizes protection for the quarterback...If the protection isn't there it is on the players not on Gibbs...Under Spurrier the protection problems were the result of poor coaching not player inability.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by NY_Skinsfan

If I'm not mistaken, I think I remember Ramsey layed out on his back far too often due to Spurrier's Offensive "Genius." Gibbs maximizes protection for the quarterback...If the protection isn't there it is on the players not on Gibbs...Under Spurrier the protection problems were the result of poor coaching not player inability.

precisely. if Gibbs has two TEs (and a better blocker than Trung Canidate) in one every play to NOT have his QB on his back, but the defense STILL gets through, how is that Gibbs' fault?? thats why Rasby's gone. and most likely, why Ramsey isn't playing, because while he'll throw better, he won't have time to because he can't escape the rush.

in Spurrier's no protection schemes, only maybe Vick could escape everything that came.