Portis for Larry Johnson

FRPLG · 01-03-2005, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by djdunick

I heard an interesting rumor at the stadium yesterday that George Michael's of channel 4 is starting rumors of a Portis for Larry Johnson trade. Has anyone else heard that? Personally I think it would be terriffic. Johnson is more of the between the tackles back that Gibbs likes. Betts did a great job yesterday.

Clinton Portis is not a 'core Redskin' guy. He doesn't want to grind out the hard yards and doesn't have the heart to be on this team. He wants all the glory and only wants big plays not the '2 and 3 yard stuff' as he has stated in the past. What a mistake.

You sir are an idiot.

offiss · 01-03-2005, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by djdunick
I heard an interesting rumor at the stadium yesterday that George Michael's of channel 4 is starting rumors of a Portis for Larry Johnson trade. Has anyone else heard that? Personally I think it would be terriffic. Johnson is more of the between the tackles back that Gibbs likes. Betts did a great job yesterday.

Clinton Portis is not a 'core Redskin' guy. He doesn't want to grind out the hard yards and doesn't have the heart to be on this team. He wants all the glory and only wants big plays not the '2 and 3 yard stuff' as he has stated in the past. What a mistake.

You sir are an idiot.

I happen to agree with djdunick's assesment of Portis, I don't agree with the trade proposal though, i do not think Larry Johnson is anything special, he run's behind maybe the best offensive line in the game what do you think he would do behind our offensive line with his attitude that's a powder keg waiting to explode.

We should have dealt for Sean Alexander of seattle last year when he was available he can run inside and outside that is what Gibb's really need's.

djdunick · 01-03-2005, 12:58 PM

FRPLJ,

So sad that you have to resort to name calling, it really shows off your low IQ.

If you have faith in Portis you must be smokin' crack. He can't get us a touchdown in the red zone and doesn't want to run for the hard yards. I've also heard that he has been doing a lot of improvisation. FRPLJ if you don't know what improvisation means go to www. websters.com

DJDunick

Redskins_P · 01-03-2005, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by djdunick

FRPLJ,

So sad that you have to resort to name calling, it really shows off your low IQ.

If you have faith in Portis you must be smokin' crack. He can't get us a touchdown in the red zone and doesn't want to run for the hard yards. I've also heard that he has been doing a lot of improvisation. FRPLJ if you don't know what improvisation means go to www. websters.com

DJDunick

I must be a crackhead then.....I guess those 1300 yds he got were just given to him by the defenses.

djdunick · 01-03-2005, 01:48 PM

Redskin P,

How many touchdowns did Portis have, not many. One spectacular run on the first play from scrimmage. A bruising up the middle back is much more the style runner we need. Those 1,300 yards certainly weren't given to him he had an incredible number of carries.

With the game on the line in the 4th quarter and we're down at the 5 yard line I don't think Portis makes it in.

FRPLG · 01-03-2005, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by djdunick

FRPLJ,

So sad that you have to resort to name calling, it really shows off your low IQ.

If you have faith in Portis you must be smokin' crack. He can't get us a touchdown in the red zone and doesn't want to run for the hard yards. I've also heard that he has been doing a lot of improvisation. FRPLJ if you don't know what improvisation means go to www. websters.com

DJDunick

Calling you an idiot for making an idiotic statement is not what I'd call name calling. First off it is was meant in half joking matter as it is a commonly used quote to show you think the other person has said something stupid. Second off I have been around this forum for a while and never once been accused of anything like this so maybe you are a little too sensitive. Third off if I wanted to call you a name I would have called you something far worse. Get over it man.

Your evaluation of Portis smacks of a limited knowledge of football both in terms of skill evaluation and the business ramifications of any such move. I won't get in a insult fight with you but I do think you should try and understand how to discuss viable and logical options for improving the Skins. Getting rid of a top tier RB for a guy who doesn't even start for his team is just dumb. Sorry if calling it a dumb idea seems mean to you but it is just plain dumb.

illdefined · 01-04-2005, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by offiss

I happen to agree with djdunick's assesment of Portis

i'm on vacation in the caribbean but just have to step in here and defend my man Portis.

look at Portis's carries this year and tell me again he doesn't want to run. 3 ypc (ie TOUGH yards) with a leaky OLine and conservative (ie. predictable, some even say outdated) offense and he still wanted more touches. almost 1400 yds and he played hurt all year too. didn't you claim Rod Gardner was our offensive MVP this year?

offiss · 01-04-2005, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

i'm on vacation in the caribbean but just have to step in here and defend my man Portis. look at Portis's carries this year and tell me again he doesn't want to run. 3.3 ypc with a leaky OLine and conservative (ie. predictable, some even say outdated) offense and he still wanted more touches. almost 1400 yds and he played hurt all year too. didn't you claim Rod Gardner was our offensive MVP this year?

That was stated for the first half of the season and he was, if your going to quote me do it correctly, 3.3 yards in any offense is horrible, I am now through tap dancing around Portis, he's a bust, nothing more than a 3rd down change of pace back who accumulated most of his yard's in denver against a KC team that couldn't stop a cheerleader from having a 100yard day, Portis is a primadonna who want's to get through the line of scrimmage without being touched put a couple of good hit's on him and he backs down, Bett's hit's the holes with everything he has whether they are there or not, and yes behind the same pourous offensive line Bett's plowed through for a nice 100 yard game in his first start this season, Portis will be a better runner if we open more holes for him as if no other back would as well, Bett's get's yards when there is barley a running lane, Portis get's zip when there isn't a running lane, when our line reaches the point where they are opening holes big enough for Portis to run through we could have plenty of other back's moving the chain's for us as well, further more a back quite often has to take some shot's early to get his yard's later in the game Portis can't do that he can't take the punishment, the coaches all know who the better back is they just can't admit it because of the money that was given to Portis, why do think Portis was on the bench for the entire second half a few week's ago without an injury? Bottom line if Bett's ran in the denver system the last 2 year's and Portis ran in our's, Bett's would be looked at as an elite back and Portis would be our change of pace 3rd down back, as I said when we traded for him he can't run between the tackles and he proved it this year!

illdefined · 01-04-2005, 02:22 AM

right, right, back then your argument was Rod Gardner was our offensive MVP but Brunell (who threw all the passes to him) had nothing to do with it. but i digress..

i just don't see how Portis could run 1500 yds in only TWO games a season versus KC. man, wish i saw those games!

and i think it's rich how tough you claim Betts to be when he played ONE whole game this season vs. a terrible run defense.

where was Betts before Portis? that's right, constantly INJURED and in the running to be cut this offseason due to relative fragility since he was drafted.

Betts is great when HEALTHY. i'm glad we have him. but Portis was productive even with all the problems at Oline, a 1980s playbook, AND lasted every game except one. withOUT the benefit of a passing game ALL YEAR. but i guess i'll wait to hear you pin our terrible passing game on Portis's light weight as well..

MTK · 01-03-2005, 02:01 PM

This talk of Portis not running hard, not gaining the tough yards, etc., is just nonsense.

He had a ton of carries this year behind a very average offensive line and he held up very well under the circumstances.

How many games did he have with 30+ carries?

He's a tough guy for someone his size and I'm really confused over these claims that he lacks heart and determination.

If this "trade Portis" talk is going to last all offseason I think I just might shoot myself.

Redskins_P · 01-03-2005, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

This talk of Portis not running hard, not gaining the tough yards, etc., is just nonsense.

He had a ton of carries this year behind a very average offensive line and he held up very well under the circumstances.

How many games did he have with 30+ carries?

He's a tough guy for someone his size and I'm really confused over these claims that he lacks heart and determination.

If this "trade Portis" talk is going to last all offseason I think I just might shoot myself.

Matty, you better get that gun ready LOL

MTK · 01-03-2005, 02:09 PM

One good game by a backup and all of a sudden we should deal away a 23 year old RB with two 1500+ yard seasons and one 1300 yard season.

What a joke.

djdunick · 01-03-2005, 02:19 PM

Remember fellas/ladies that we gave up a ton to get him and he hasn't 'saved' the franchise. We got ripped on the deal for sure. A cover corner is much harder to come by then a quality runner. Every year Denver produces a runner that gets a ton of yards.

What I saw yesterday is the type of running that I'ld expect from a Gibbs team.

Redskins_P · 01-03-2005, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by djdunick

Remember fellas/ladies that we gave up a ton to get him and he hasn't 'saved' the franchise. We got ripped on the deal for sure. A cover corner is much harder to come by then a quality runner. Every year Denver produces a runner that gets a ton of yards.

What I saw yesterday is the type of running that I'ld expect from a Gibbs team.

I didn't know he was supposed to "save" our franchise. I thought Gibbs was supposed to do that.

What I saw yesterday was our backup running back going up against one of the worst defenses in the entire league.

BrudLee · 01-03-2005, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by djdunick

Remember fellas/ladies that we gave up a ton to get him and he hasn't 'saved' the franchise. We got ripped on the deal for sure. A cover corner is much harder to come by then a quality runner. Every year Denver produces a runner that gets a ton of yards.

What I saw yesterday is the type of running that I'ld expect from a Gibbs team.

I'm not sure how we "got ripped" on that deal. With our not-up-to Bailey-standards CB's, we had the number three defense in the league, number one in the conference. As a team we got six more INT's than Denver. And that stiff we picked up got 1300 yards, despite taking the last game off.

You can argue that Portis didn't live up to billing. I think the entire offense was a disappointment, not just #26.

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01-03-2005, 11:40 AM	#2
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 62 Posts: 3,097	Originally Posted by djdunick I heard an interesting rumor at the stadium yesterday that George Michael's of channel 4 is starting rumors of a Portis for Larry Johnson trade. Has anyone else heard that? Personally I think it would be terriffic. Johnson is more of the between the tackles back that Gibbs likes. Betts did a great job yesterday. Clinton Portis is not a 'core Redskin' guy. He doesn't want to grind out the hard yards and doesn't have the heart to be on this team. He wants all the glory and only wants big plays not the '2 and 3 yard stuff' as he has stated in the past. What a mistake. You sir are an idiot. I happen to agree with djdunick's assesment of Portis, I don't agree with the trade proposal though, i do not think Larry Johnson is anything special, he run's behind maybe the best offensive line in the game what do you think he would do behind our offensive line with his attitude that's a powder keg waiting to explode. We should have dealt for Sean Alexander of seattle last year when he was available he can run inside and outside that is what Gibb's really need's.

01-03-2005, 12:58 PM	#3
djdunick Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Reisterstown, MD Age: 64 Posts: 141	FRPLJ, So sad that you have to resort to name calling, it really shows off your low IQ. If you have faith in Portis you must be smokin' crack. He can't get us a touchdown in the red zone and doesn't want to run for the hard yards. I've also heard that he has been doing a lot of improvisation. FRPLJ if you don't know what improvisation means go to www. websters.com DJDunick

01-03-2005, 01:48 PM	#5
djdunick Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Reisterstown, MD Age: 64 Posts: 141	Redskin P, How many touchdowns did Portis have, not many. One spectacular run on the first play from scrimmage. A bruising up the middle back is much more the style runner we need. Those 1,300 yards certainly weren't given to him he had an incredible number of carries. With the game on the line in the 4th quarter and we're down at the 5 yard line I don't think Portis makes it in.

01-04-2005, 02:22 AM	#9
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 50 Posts: 2,631	right, right, back then your argument was Rod Gardner was our offensive MVP but Brunell (who threw all the passes to him) had nothing to do with it. but i digress.. i just don't see how Portis could run 1500 yds in only TWO games a season versus KC. man, wish i saw those games! and i think it's rich how tough you claim Betts to be when he played ONE whole game this season vs. a terrible run defense. where was Betts before Portis? that's right, constantly INJURED and in the running to be cut this offseason due to relative fragility since he was drafted. Betts is great when HEALTHY. i'm glad we have him. but Portis was productive even with all the problems at Oline, a 1980s playbook, AND lasted every game except one. withOUT the benefit of a passing game ALL YEAR. but i guess i'll wait to hear you pin our terrible passing game on Portis's light weight as well..

01-03-2005, 02:01 PM	#10
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,050	This talk of Portis not running hard, not gaining the tough yards, etc., is just nonsense. He had a ton of carries this year behind a very average offensive line and he held up very well under the circumstances. How many games did he have with 30+ carries? He's a tough guy for someone his size and I'm really confused over these claims that he lacks heart and determination. If this "trade Portis" talk is going to last all offseason I think I just might shoot myself.

01-03-2005, 02:09 PM	#12
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,050	One good game by a backup and all of a sudden we should deal away a 23 year old RB with two 1500+ yard seasons and one 1300 yard season. What a joke.

01-03-2005, 02:19 PM	#13
djdunick Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Reisterstown, MD Age: 64 Posts: 141	Remember fellas/ladies that we gave up a ton to get him and he hasn't 'saved' the franchise. We got ripped on the deal for sure. A cover corner is much harder to come by then a quality runner. Every year Denver produces a runner that gets a ton of yards. What I saw yesterday is the type of running that I'ld expect from a Gibbs team.

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