A Clarification on whether the Redskins are Re-Building

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Perry Riley, Roy Helu, Leonard Hankerson, Jarvins Jenkins, and Evan Royster are all players acquired after the first round in the past two seasons that have the potential to be starters. While it is terrible that we don't have our first rounders in 2013 and 2014, I don't see why we can't acquire a starter in the mid rounds during those two years.

If you add up the probabilities of finding a starter in rounds 3-6, you come to the expectation of getting one starter of the middle rounds every year.

Or phrased a bit differently, if you had the 15th pick in every round from 3-6, and you put all your scouting resources to trying to find the best pick available at a position where the player wasn't blocked in every round, you would expect to be successful one of those picks, and unsuccessful with three of those picks.

So while the Redskins are not guaranteed any starters in this draft not named Robert Griffin, they can reasonably expect to find at least one guy later on who can move into the starting lineup.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Perry Riley, Roy Helu, Leonard Hankerson, Jarvins Jenkins, and Evan Royster are all players acquired after the first round in the past two seasons that have the potential to be starters. While it is terrible that we don't have our first rounders in 2013 and 2014, I don't see why we can't acquire a starter in the mid rounds during those two years.

You got me with the RBs, but Hankerson is still a question mark as a potential starter. The fact that we acquired Garcon and Morgan should have us fans thinking about what the coaches think about Hankerson. Riley and Jenkins are good, but we do need a few guys that can at least contend for Pro Bow honors. Those guys would just be able to make it as an average starter. I know there are gems to be found Ruh, and there are first round busts, but for one year we start off with a third round pick. I just hope our scouts earn their money. They are going to have to be the ones to pick up the slack with the RG III deal.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

You got me with the RBs, but Hankerson is still a question mark as a potential starter. The fact that we acquired Garcon and Morgan should have us fans thinking about what the coaches think about Hankerson. Riley and Jenkins are good, but we do need a few guys that can at least contend for Pro Bow honors. Those guys would just be able to make it as an average starter. I know there are gems to be found Ruh, and there are first round busts, but for one year we start off with a third round pick. I just hope our scouts earn their money. They are going to have to be the ones to pick up the slack with the RG III deal.

Which year would that be?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Which year would that be?

Well, if you don't count that worthless 2nd overall pick, that would be this year.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

You got me with the RBs, but Hankerson is still a question mark as a potential starter. The fact that we acquired Garcon and Morgan should have us fans thinking about what the coaches think about Hankerson. Riley and Jenkins are good, but we do need a few guys that can at least contend for Pro Bow honors. Those guys would just be able to make it as an average starter. I know there are gems to be found Ruh, and there are first round busts, but for one year we start off with a third round pick. I just hope our scouts earn their money. They are going to have to be the ones to pick up the slack with the RG III deal.

I think there is cause to be concerned, but you have to understand we have a lot of young players to work with right now. Sure it sucks to not have first round talent, but if we are able to a.) develop the young talent we have right now and b.) continue our ability to get mid-round players that can start, I think we will be alright.

[Pigskins]

I don't think teams have time to rebuild in the nfl, 3 years and no playoffs usually means your fired, we will always try I improve the team, but look at last years 49ers, people would say they were rebuilding and they made it to the championship game, it's the nfl anythings possible

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Pigskins

I don't think teams have time to rebuild in the nfl, 3 years and no playoffs usually means your fired, we will always try I improve the team, but look at last years 49ers, people would say they were rebuilding and they made it to the championship game, it's the nfl anythings possible

I don't follow the 49ers a lot, but I think roster-wise they really didn't make a ton of changes. I guess you could say they were rebuilding b/c they got a new coach, but it happens that there was talent in that roster, they just needed a coach that can make that talent produce.

I think the Bengals were a better example of your point. I kinda hope we would be on the same situation, but given our crappy secondary I don't think our defense is going to be that good (which was a big part of the Bengals' success if memory serves me right).

[GTripp0012]

Here's some interesting stats for context.

The average age of an NFL player (as of Dec. 31, 2012) is 27.3 years of age, and the median entry draft for a current NFL player is 2009 (which means that half the NFL was drafted during or prior to the 2009 draft, and half during or after it).

For the Washington Redskins, the average player is 26.8 years old (goes to 27.0 if you include Fletcher), and the median draft class is 2009.

All those numbers will drop considerably following the draft for all teams.

[Chief X_Phackter]

My opinion on the subject is that this isn't the NFL of a couple decades ago. I think MOST teams in today's NFL are forced to sort of rebuild every year or at least every couple-few years. Some teams and front offices do a better job at it than others. Unfortunately for many years we have had a pretty bad front office, inconsistency with coaches and offensive/defensive schemes, and an owner who liked to meddle too much...(not to mention subpar QB play) so we are perhaps further behind in the process of fielding a quality team year-in and year-out than a program like the Redskins should be.

I hear the word parity used a lot with regard to the NFL these days, and I do think there is more parity now than ever before due to the constant turnover of personnel amongst the teams. Not just players either; there is turnover with coaches, assistants, FO personnel, GMs, etc. This turnover causes every team to sort of "rebuild" or "build" constantly. The task of taking all the new pieces, schemes, personalities, etc. and putting it together to field a competitive organization each year is a challenge. Programs with great program managers, and stability in the coaching staff (i.e. Patriots, Steelers, Packers, etc.) and key positions (i.e. QB) are obviously better at this than programs that just seem to fumble through each year (i.e. Redskins).

Everyone with common sense knew that after bringing on board the new front office, GM, Coaching staff, philosophy, etc. it would take a few years to right the ship. I would say that the Redskins are in a much better position now than they were three years ago. I think this time next year I will say this team is in a much better position than they were a year ago... Have there been mistakes? Sure they happen. Will there be more mistakes? Yes. However, we are moving in the right direction. I think the future is now and I think we will continue to build this thing.

And for the record, Idon't think we have "mortgaged our future" for RGIII. I think that was a move that had to be made. Guys like RGIII and Luck don't come along very often. I commend them for getting that done.

I for one am looking forward to the next several years...

[skinsfaninok]

If RGIII lives up to the number 2 pick? This team won't rebuild for long

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

If RGIII lives up to the number 2 pick? This team won't rebuild for long

So they aren't rebuilding? Or you don't expect RG3 to live up to the no. 2 pick (at least right away)?

[Bucket]

I don't understand why people talk about rebuilding in the NFL. No team in the NFL rebuilds. You have a plan set out for the franchise and putting the right pieces in place if that be long term or short is how you win.

Do we have young players? Yes, but many draft picks in the past 5-7 years that are not even 30 have been traded, released etc.

There is no such thing as rebuilding in the NFL.

[redskinjim]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

If RGIII lives up to the number 2 pick? This team won't rebuild for long

this trade was a bargain you will see that in the years ahead

[GTripp0012]

I'm just trying to get someone on record saying that, unequivocally, the Redskins are not rebuilding/are no longer rebuilding/never were rebuilding.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm just trying to get someone on record saying that, unequivocally, the Redskins are not rebuilding/are no longer rebuilding/never were rebuilding.

Why?