Indiana First State to Allow Citizens to Shoot Law Enforcement Officers

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

FYI -

Here is the search warrant affidavit in the Guereno case. His brothers were significant local drug dealers and the police suspected he, too, was involved in the drug dealing.
http://www.kvoa.com/files/Scanned%20...nt0582_000.pdf

You'll forgive me if I refuse to believe anything from a lying police agency. You want me to believe these guys were criminals, even though the police agency covered up their wrong doing and outright lied about what happened....lol


I have no doubt cops plant and falsify evidence, and I strongly would bet they are doing it here as well to cover their asses.

Jose Guerena's Family Sues Pima County Over SWAT Raid Killing

Family's ties to alleged pot ring detailed : Welcome to StarNet - Tucson, Arizona

[JoeRedskin]

As to the opinion in the Barnes case (just read it), IMO the Court went too far and effectively emasculated the need for a search warrant to enter my home. Barnes said you are not permitted entry and that should have been it - unless Ms. Barnes specifically invited them in or articulated a fear for her own safety.

There is a maxim in law "hard cases make bad law" and I think that is what happened here. The courts clearly wanted to allow the police the ability to protect Ms. Barnes and/or be present to diffuse a confrontation that might escalate into violence. Think about what have happened if the police had said, "You're right. We have no authority." and left - only to hear a gunshot inside the apartment moments later and, upon legally entering, find Ms. Barnes (or for that matter, Mr. Barnes) dead.

In refusing to protect someone who is refusing to cooperate with the police and who was reasonably seen as possibly changing a domestic dispute into a domestic violence case,
the Court overstepped and didn't limit its finding. I disagree with the court's overreaching but think the statute is an equally imperfect solution to the problem.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

As to the opinion in the Barnes case (just read it), IMO the Court went too far and effectively emasculated the need for a search warrant to enter my home. Barnes said you are not permitted entry and that should have been it - unless Ms. Barnes specifically invited them in or articulated a fear for her own safety.

How do idiot judges even make it that far up bringing down decisions like that? It goes against everything the law stands for. It's mind boggling and the moment those judges made that decision to pretty much make search warrants dispensable, they should have been removed from office.

[firstdown]

Even if I have the right to shoot back I think I'll listen to their comands and when the dust settles take care of any problems.

[JoeRedskin]

Did you read the second article concerning the widespread nature of the conspiracy by the brothers? I am in no way suggesting that the actions that occurred in regards to Jose Guernrico's home invasion were proper police actions. At the same time, a little context goes a long way.

If you think the drug conspiracey is all a manufactured figment of the police's imagination ... fine. On the other hand, to me, and from the extent of the drug ring alleged, that's one hell of a paper trail to cover up (for example - creating hand written notes of one brother detailing sails of 10K pounds of marijuana). Is it your suggestion that the police planted over half a ton of marijuana in someone's home? Or that they are lying when they allege that the various family relations had property and assets worth $100K's with no verifiable form of legitimate income.

A lazy, dishonest police force- which is what this appeared at first blush - is one thing ... an actively corrupt force that is creating this kind of evidence with the expectation that it will hold up in court - which is what you appear to be alleging - is another. Not saying it couldn't happen, just saying it requires a lot of energy & competence to do.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Did you read the second article concerning the widespread nature of the conspiracy by the brothers? I am in no way suggesting that the actions that occurred in regards to Jose Guernrico's home invasion were proper police actions. At the same time, a little context goes a long way.

If you think the drug conspiracey is all a manufactured figment of the police's imagination ... fine. On the other hand, to me, and from the extent of the drug ring alleged, that's one hell of a paper trail to cover up (for example - creating hand written notes of one brother detailing sails of 10K pounds of marijuana). Is it your suggestion that the police planted over half a ton of marijuana in someone's home? Or that they are lying when they allege that the various family relations had property and assets worth $100K's with no verifiable form of legitimate income.

A lazy, dishonest police force- which is what this appeared at first blush - is one thing ... an actively corrupt force that is creating this kind of evidence with the expectation that it will hold up in court - which is what you appear to be alleging - is another. Not saying it couldn't happen, just saying it requires a lot of energy & competence to do.

My reference was in the two articles I posted. Sure I believe they had a or suspected some of his family of drug dealing, but last time I checked, they didn't have any evidence from Jose Guernrico raid that ended up killing him. They may even been correct on the fact his family members were dealing drugs, but I also believe that they would implicate him to cover their tracks as to make their unlawful killing look legit. Not saying they did, just that I wouldn't put it past them.

Any police department that is willing to lie and coverup, is definitely willing to lie and manufacture evidence. I'm saying I don't believe anything they say in regards to Jose Guernrico.