It's Rosenhaus

[monk81]

This agent is bad news for the NFL................

[Daseal]

Rosenhaus has always dealt well with Snyder though. =/

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Rosenhaus has always dealt well with Snyder though. =/

Yeah, which kind of has me wondering why he would want to burn that bridge.

[aprius]

Suspend any player that does not live up to his contract for 1 year and see how much that hurts his pocket book and maybe he will start to listen to reason then. And suspend the Postons and Rosenhaus' privilege of being an agent for any player for one year. They might wise up too.

[BigSKINBauer]

shouldn't we have talked to moss about the contract b4 the trade?

Taylor can't afford not to play if we fight back he won't sit out for 6 years. he will recognize that his career is on the line, i truly think if WE don't give in he will come back.

[skinsguy]

I think this salary cap thing limited the wrong aspect of the game.

I realize this idea isn't fool proof, but the salary cap should be placed on the player's contracts and not so much the spending of the team itself. If there was a way to place a decent cap on the contracts - a cap that would get the approval of the player's union, maybe these agents wouldn't have such a strangle hold on the NFL.

Then again, maybe every team should just say live with the contract or find some other line of work. Teams are going to lose superstars, but the flood gates have got to be closed or this is going to ruin the NFL further.

[mooby]

yeah. now there are gonna be more nfl players who think they deserve better deals. i like skinsguys idea about a cap on the player's contracts instead of on the teams. they need a limit, otherwise every team in the league pretty soon is gonna have maybe 5 or more guys who hold out. and drew rosenhaus needs to stop telling his clients holding out is the answer. they should suspend him from being an agent for a year.

[skinsguy]

I couldn't have said it better myself Joe! The mentality from the modern player is: I'm a business man first, football player second. If they want to treat football more like a business than a sport, go open a fruit stand. Give me the average joe football player who plays because he loves the sport rather than because he knows he can become an instant millionaire. Years ago, guys played the sport for little or no money....

[offiss]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I couldn't have said it better myself Joe! The mentality from the modern player is: I'm a business man first, football player second. If they want to treat football more like a business than a sport, go open a fruit stand. Give me the average joe football player who plays because he loves the sport rather than because he knows he can become an instant millionaire. Years ago, guys played the sport for little or no money....

Personally I would have used cake, but that's just me.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by offiss

Personally I would have used cake, but that's just me.

LOL! With chocolate sprinkles!


Santanaman:

Never said the idea was fool proof, but at the sametime, why penalize the owners who have the money to pay the most to their players? It's the idea of having a free market. They way it stands now, to me, it's like a communist approach to the NFL.

By having the players' salary capped, the franchises aren't having to pay out such outlandish salaries while the players are still making a pretty darn good living.

This is where it would get sticky: finding a salary limit that all owners could deal with and that would get the approval of the players' union. In theory, this would be ideal and would still give all nfl franchises equal opportunity to attract players to their team, while loosening the stranglehold of the agents.

[joecrisp]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

LOL! With chocolate sprinkles!


Santanaman:

Never said the idea was fool proof, but at the sametime, why penalize the owners who have the money to pay the most to their players? It's the idea of having a free market. They way it stands now, to me, it's like a communist approach to the NFL.

By having the players' salary capped, the franchises aren't having to pay out such outlandish salaries while the players are still making a pretty darn good living.

This is where it would get sticky: finding a salary limit that all owners could deal with and that would get the approval of the players' union. In theory, this would be ideal and would still give all nfl franchises equal opportunity to attract players to their team, while loosening the stranglehold of the agents.

I think you're right about the sticking point: the NFLPA would never agree to a player salary cap, wherein individual player salaries would be limited to a maximum annual figure. With the NFLPA, you're talking about an organization that works hand-in-hand with the players' agents to ensure that players have unlimited compensation potential throughout their careers. Their raison d'etre is to maximize the players' income-- not limit it.

That's why the current team salary cap system is in place. It's the only system that both the owners and players could agree upon when the current CBA was negotiated.

You also have to keep in mind that the NFL has experienced unrivaled and unprecedented success among sports leagues worldwide, since this particular "communist approach" was implemented over a decade ago. This is because the CBA provides for a competitive market, by ensuring that the players and the teams they play for are competing on a level field (or, at least, a reasonable approximation of such).

Like you said, the idea isn't foolproof, but I don't think the current system is as communistic as you suggested. There's certainly a free market dynamic at play here, as free agency allows players to command salaries commensurate with their value on the open market. If teams want to curb the inflation of those values-- which are sure to soar if star players and one-year wonders are allowed to re-write their deals every year-- the first step teams need to take is to refuse to renegotiate contracts unless it will help their salary cap situation. Thus far, that's generally what teams have done. But this current assault on the system by Rosenhaus and his high-profile clients will certainly test the mettle of even the most fiscally-disciplined franchises.

[joecrisp]

Originally Posted by offiss

Personally I would have used cake, but that's just me.

Oops, I did say "pie" didn't I? I guess I shouldn't get people started on pie around here. We all know what happens when the subject of pie comes up, don't we?

[BrudLee]

Originally Posted by joecrisp

Oops, I did say "pie" didn't I? I guess I shouldn't get people started on pie around here. We all know what happens when the subject of pie comes up, don't we?

Are we fighting now? Is that it??

[Hijinx]

Originally Posted by offiss

Personally I would have used cake, but that's just me.

Welcome to the NFL. Cake or death?

[Daseal]

These guys are just making financial decesions and negotiations for themselves. Yes, they signed a contract. However, Sean Taylor is one play away from not having a job or half the physical talent he has now. What happened to Theisman, and to many other players whos careers ended prematurely could happen to anyone. We knew he wasn't happy with his deal right after he signed. He got somewhat shafted on his contract to begin with, and we can restructure it and keep him happy. I have a feeling players will be more willing (moreso than their agents, I assure you) to help a team out if the team helps them out.

If a team wants to constantly renegotiate contracts, then why shouldn't players, unhappy with their contract, at least get it looked at? Would we be happy at players (for instance Samuels last year) when we ask to renegotiate and he says "No thanks." He renogitated. Luckily for him he got a bigger SB, but Ramsey, Jansen, Wynn, and others all renegotiated their contracts for either the same amount or slightly more. Most importantly giving the skins cap relief.