Cap Implications of Josh Norman

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by That Guy

i think 8m in the first year for dj/jg/pg is probably a bit optimistic (well, maybe not pg). i know norman is getting that, but he's counting 20m/17m in the next two years. we'll still need mid level guys and a draft class next year, which eats up ~15m or so.

so technically you might be able to keep everyone and bump the bigger parts of their contracts into 2017/2018, but realistically, norman probably ends up costing us PG or galette (as well as culliver, but meh).

Why optimistic? A deal worth $12M per year over four years would usually carry a cap hit of $8M in the first year.

Garcon definitely would not get that much. Jackson might.

But I should revise this once the team drafts next week, and makes a few moves on veterans. The landscape will change.

[MTK]

Per Rich Tandler

$8 million cap hit for Norman this year. Means #Redskins have about $3.5 million. Will need to make moves but not immediately.

[Schneed10]

Andre Roberts once healthy is probably the only move really needed.

But That Guy, Norman's cap hit in this first year is only $8M and he's got a $75M deal. If we want to keep Cousins, Reed, both WRs, Galette, and Baker, it is very doable. I was conservative in my estimates. I mean my assumptions here have Reed being franchised, which is as conservative as it gets. If they sign him to a long term deal the cap hit may only be $6M instead of $10M.

We're good.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Andre Roberts once healthy is probably the only move really needed.

But That Guy, Norman's cap hit in this first year is only $8M and he's got a $75M deal. If we want to keep Cousins, Reed, both WRs, Galette, and Baker, it is very doable. I was conservative in my estimates. I mean my assumptions here have Reed being franchised, which is as conservative as it gets. If they sign him to a long term deal the cap hit may only be $6M instead of $10M.

We're good.

there is no chance they keep both WRs in 2017.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

there is no chance they keep both WRs in 2017.

I would agree fully. But they could if they wanted. I'd rather keep one and go younger at the other spot. I think McCloughan would probably agree.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Andre Roberts once healthy is probably the only move really needed.

But That Guy, Norman's cap hit in this first year is only $8M and he's got a $75M deal. If we want to keep Cousins, Reed, both WRs, Galette, and Baker, it is very doable. I was conservative in my estimates. I mean my assumptions here have Reed being franchised, which is as conservative as it gets. If they sign him to a long term deal the cap hit may only be $6M instead of $10M.

We're good.

i understand norman is only counting 8m this year, but year 2-3 count for a total of 37m. when you count in the ~15m you spend every year on roster fill signings, it seems like logically in the long term plan, at least one big deal probably has to go to keep any kind of flexibility. there's also a chance baker REALLY breaks outs too, but i guess the whole exercise is fraught with speculation.


if someone does have to go, pg is the most replaceable and jg has the highest chance of either not showing enough or asking too much. I'm assuming culliver/roberts will end up going, and lavau or lichtensteiger are also candidates for release.

I do appreciate the work, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out. the season, like you said, can end up making some of these decisions pretty easy as far as who stays and who doesn't.

[CRedskinsRule]

We are good IF the team hits on their picks, builds the other areas through the draft and gets our guys signed before they can test the market. I like the signing but even by Schneed's numbers it is going to keep us out of big time FA plays next year. (That isn't necessarily a bad thing)

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[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

We are good IF the team hits on their picks, builds the other areas through the draft and gets our guys signed before they can test the market. I like the signing but even by Schneed's numbers it is going to keep us out of big time FA plays next year. (That isn't necessarily a bad thing)

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None of this matters anyways if we don't draft well so no use in worrying about it too much at this point.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

None of this matters anyways if we don't draft well so no use in worrying about it too much at this point.

Exactly. If we whiff in the draft we will suck no matter what.

[Chico23231]

Good work here schneed.

The contract is large but as predicted its not gonna put us in a bad position for the future

[Bangee7]

Nice job Schneed...I think you're assumptions are definitely conservative, which gives even more validity to the fact that we have True football people running the organization. They have even more wiggle room than you factored in.

Yes Norman was a little pricey, compared to others on the roster.
But, The BEST of anything is expensive....that's the way supply & demand works.

We have one of the BEST CB's now and yes we agreed to pay for it. But, I think Schneed makes it perfectly clear....and this is the key point...we did not over extend to add him.

Sleep well Redskin fans, sleep well...we're in great shape!

[CRedskinsRule]

Some contract analysis for overthecap.com.

http://overthecap.com/josh-norman-sa...cs/#more-11898

And

http://overthecap.com/thoughts-josh-...ct/#more-11904

I guess the sum of it is we must really have wanted him, and we paid full retail for him.


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[mooby]

I don't think we over paid for him, but I have my reservations. If Scot led the way on this instead of you know who I'm fine with it though. Plus if the rumors of built in exit strategies are true I don't see any reason not to like it.

[Schneed10]

The key is the signing bonus is very low, only $15M. It's really not much more complicated than that - if you've got a low signing bonus then there's less dead money when you release a guy. They can get away before he's too old, if they wish.

[KI Skins Fan]

Stop it! Just stop it right now, all you Nervous Nellies!

Dan Snyder is not making the calls on which FA's we go after. We know who can play and who can't. We know who fits our system and who doesn't. We no longer sign turds. We no longer write bad contracts that don't have exit clauses. We know how to manage the cap.

Vinny is not hiding in a closet at Redskins Park ready to jump out at any moment and convince Dan Snyder to do something stupid. There is no Bogey Man. You can relax now and sleep blissfully.