Is it time to seriously consider a replacement at HC?

[Schneed10]

I think where we'd miss Gruden the most is the draft. He has a lot of input to the process. The board isn't his to own but the organization listens to him, and he breaks ties by occasionally standing on the table for somebody during the draft (Ioannidis).

But it's on the organization to get the right people in place regardless. I think we've seen what Gruden can do - he's OK but he doesn't elevate his talent. And I think he whiffed on the DC hire (Manusky).

I'd give him a chance though to show that he can coach McCoy into a successful performance down the stretch here. If we secure the division and McCoy looks good in the process I'd have to credit Gruden, even if I ultimately feel like I know his ceiling is 10-6. It would be enough to buy one more season.

[Schneed10]

Yeah CRed you're off your rocker, bud. Bruce Allen has to go. I wholeheartedly believe the rumblings that Cousins wasn't at all interested in signing with Washington as long as Bruce Allen was still with the team. That was the single most embarrassing misplay of any player/contract situation in the entire NFL over the last five years. It has be be considered a fireable offense.

[MTK]

Allen's record speaks for itself at this point. If Gruden goes Allen has to go too.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by MTK

Allen's record speaks for itself at this point. If Gruden goes Allen has to go too.

I think Allen has a 6.5 win a year average and Gruden 7. Time to can them both.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

I think Allen has a 6.5 win a year average and Gruden 7. Time to can them both.

It's past time for both of them to go. They have both had their chances and they failed to deliver. If you had a business and those two were your only salesmen, you'd be bankrupt.

I am sick and tired of on-the-field mediocrity but, apparently, Dan Snyder has become quite comfortable with it. Snyder needs to make some bold moves to get better and firing Allen and Gruden is a good start because their NFL careers are the very definition of mediocrity.

I would fire Allen for just the ridiculous Kirk Cousins fiasco and his failure to somehow, some way keep Sean McVay. And, yes, he could have kept McVay by firing Gruden and elevating McVay to HC. Eating two years of Gruden's salary to do it would have been worth it. It's easy for me to imagine the Skins being much better right now if we had signed Cousins and elevated McVay.

[Chico23231]

Id let Gruden stick around, but he needs to bring in a new OC imo. I think the step back has been fairly clear...Of course I like the running mentality, but I think Jay needs to share the blame along with Alex when it comes to the passing attack. There is a dullness with routes and scheme in general.

I wouldn't say a change at HC would be the best move. Bruce Allen needs to go for sure though.

[Chico23231]

QB decisions during BA tenure has been absolute garbage. Plus the one he didn't want to draft, didn't want on the roster, the one Danny hated....was the best one we had the last 20 years.

[irish]

I'd keep Gruden considering that he hasn't had much to work with and when he does have some talent it gets injured.

The front office is terrible and needs completely replaced. Also the training department needs replaced. This team is constantly injured (the AS injury aside) and seems incapable of staying healthy.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by irish

I'd keep Gruden considering that he hasn't had much to work with and when he does have some talent it gets injured.

The front office is terrible and needs completely replaced. Also the training department needs replaced. This team is constantly injured (the AS injury aside) and seems incapable of staying healthy.

Yeah too many torn pectorals and shit like that. Scherff and McKinzy this year. Hell, Orakpo suffered at least one of those back in the day while he was here.

I'd like to see the training staff explain their procedures around flexibility. Something tells me they're just like huh? Flexibility? What that?

Can't just be strong, you have to be pliable or you get soft tissue shit.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yeah too many torn pectorals and shit like that. Scherff and McKinzy this year. Hell, Orakpo suffered at least one of those back in the day while he was here.

I'd like to see the training staff explain their procedures around flexibility. Something tells me they're just like huh? Flexibility? What that?

Can't just be strong, you have to be pliable or you get soft tissue shit.

Agree. Every team has injuries but for the Skins its non-stop. Something needs to change.

[mredskins]

A big loss for the Skins a few years back is when Vic Fangio picked the Bears over the Skins.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mredskins

A big loss for the Skins a few years back is when Vic Fangio picked the Bears over the Skins.

Jim Schwartz wouldn't take an interview here...and we passed on Wade.

Your right...these are FO...Bruce results. Coaches don't want to be here because of our front office which has been on Bruce.

[Back2RFK]

If not Gruden then who?

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Back2RFK

If not Gruden then who?

That is the age old fan question. The answer is: That's not our problem, as fans. All Snyder has to do is to ask advice of the very best football executives in the NFL and use that as the starting point to find his next GM. Then the new GM can find the right HC.

[RedskinJake]

Originally Posted by Back2RFK

If not Gruden then who?

I think it has to be someone offensive minded. Not sure if DeFilippo is everything everyone says he is but he's on my short list along with Dan Campbell. DeFilippo is more of a gamble here but has more upside. He did well with Wentz and Foles last year. Has done well with Cousins this year but his stint with the Browns didn't go so well. That said, I think at worst he's an even swap for Gruden, at best he's Sean McVay.

Campbell is someone I've been surprised we haven't heard more from since taking over as interim head coach in Miami a few years back. He is a Parcells guy and players seem to respond to him. He wasn't ready in 2015 but I think having a few years of watching Sean Payton should only help. He's likely not going to be the next McVay but I'd gladly take the next Sean Payton..