Allen to be cut

SKINSnCANES · 04-08-2004, 06:57 PM

Fans vote in the players.

SmootSmack · 04-08-2004, 07:10 PM

It's a combination of players, coaches, and fans. I don't think the players and coaches can vote for anyone from their team and really they don't care all that much. It's all reputation. They basically wait until the deadline day, get in the locker room and just toss out known names to fill in the form and send it out.

Norman_Einstein · 04-09-2004, 03:30 PM

The Pro-Bowl players are chosen by the sports writers of America, who know a great deal about the players, their history, and their stats (I don't think popularity has much to do with it). All of the fan votes combine to equal one measly vote. For instance, if LaVar receives the most fan votes for Pro-Bowl OLB, that equals one vote for LaVar for the Pro-Bowl. All of the other votes come from the sports writers.

BrudLee · 04-09-2004, 04:53 PM

From nfl.com

Fans, players and coaches select the AFC and NFC All-Stars. Each group's collective vote counted one-third towards determining conference rosters. Below is the AFC roster for the 2004 Pro Bowl.

Norman_Einstein · 04-09-2004, 05:23 PM

my mistake...can't remember where in the world I got that info...

Defensewins · 04-09-2004, 05:23 PM

Thanks for answering my question...the rule obviously has gone through some bad changes over the years.
The reason I say this is.... in the not so distant past, (ahem, I am old) only the players and coaches voted. It used to have so much more value and meaning to the players and myself because it was the actual players you measure yourself against each Sunday on the field that voted you in. You might remember the players always saying "I was voted in by my peers". Involving the fans and press cheapens the reward. Your average fan or reporter does not really know what is like to play in the NFL. Most fans will most often vote for players on their team, then the most recognizable name and not who is playing the best. Particularly if that deserving player plays for a low visibility team like Bengals or Browns.

SKINSnCANES · 04-09-2004, 06:05 PM

Most of the time I just vote for Redskins anyways. I use the AFC to pick what players I like thta arent skins.

ShaolinMonk81 · 04-11-2004, 01:02 AM

Larry Allen has been a great player, but if Parcells says let him go, then you've got to believe the Tuna. This isn't just an average NFL coach, he's an NFL coaching legend. He knows who's got it and who doesn't.

mizzo skins man · 04-11-2004, 08:00 PM

The fans have a lot to do with the Pro bowl voting. Haven't you ever filled out an on-line ballot.

SKINSnCANES · 04-11-2004, 08:29 PM

Apparently the fans vote only counts one third, i never knew that.

BrudLee · 04-12-2004, 04:09 PM

Cowboys | Team Entertaining Trade Offers For Allen, But Will Not Release Him - from www.KFFL.com
Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:20:22 -0700

Jean-Jacques Taylor, of the Dallas Morning News, reports a difference in workout philosophy is the dispute between Dallas Cowboys head coach Bill Parcells and OG Larry Allen, according to two sources with the club. The Cowboys will entertain trade offers for Allen, but the team will not release him.

Yeah, that's what I want. An out-of-shape lineman who won't work out, and has a huge cap figure. Want my first round pick?

SKINSnCANES · 04-12-2004, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BrudLee

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Yeah, that's what I want. An out-of-shape lineman who won't work out, and has a huge cap figure. Want my first round pick?

Dan, Daniel Snyder is that you? Your offering up picks, it must be you.

04-08-2004, 06:57 PM	#16
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	Fans vote in the players. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-08-2004, 07:10 PM	#17
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	It's a combination of players, coaches, and fans. I don't think the players and coaches can vote for anyone from their team and really they don't care all that much. It's all reputation. They basically wait until the deadline day, get in the locker room and just toss out known names to fill in the form and send it out. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

04-09-2004, 04:53 PM	#19
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	From nfl.com Fans, players and coaches select the AFC and NFC All-Stars. Each group's collective vote counted one-third towards determining conference rosters. Below is the AFC roster for the 2004 Pro Bowl. __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

04-09-2004, 05:23 PM	#21
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,749	Thanks for answering my question...the rule obviously has gone through some bad changes over the years. The reason I say this is.... in the not so distant past, (ahem, I am old) only the players and coaches voted. It used to have so much more value and meaning to the players and myself because it was the actual players you measure yourself against each Sunday on the field that voted you in. You might remember the players always saying "I was voted in by my peers". Involving the fans and press cheapens the reward. Your average fan or reporter does not really know what is like to play in the NFL. Most fans will most often vote for players on their team, then the most recognizable name and not who is playing the best. Particularly if that deserving player plays for a low visibility team like Bengals or Browns. Last edited by Defensewins; 04-09-2004 at 07:32 PM.

04-09-2004, 06:05 PM	#22
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	Most of the time I just vote for Redskins anyways. I use the AFC to pick what players I like thta arent skins. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-09-2004, 03:30 PM	#18
Norman_Einstein Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Tampa, FL Age: 42 Posts: 15	The Pro-Bowl players are chosen by the sports writers of America, who know a great deal about the players, their history, and their stats (I don't think popularity has much to do with it). All of the fan votes combine to equal one measly vote. For instance, if LaVar receives the most fan votes for Pro-Bowl OLB, that equals one vote for LaVar for the Pro-Bowl. All of the other votes come from the sports writers.

04-11-2004, 01:02 AM	#23
ShaolinMonk81 Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Inwood, WV Posts: 11	Larry Allen has been a great player, but if Parcells says let him go, then you've got to believe the Tuna. This isn't just an average NFL coach, he's an NFL coaching legend. He knows who's got it and who doesn't.

04-11-2004, 08:00 PM	#24
mizzo skins man Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: St. Joseph Missouri Age: 48 Posts: 83	The fans have a lot to do with the Pro bowl voting. Haven't you ever filled out an on-line ballot.

04-11-2004, 08:29 PM	#25
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	Apparently the fans vote only counts one third, i never knew that. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-12-2004, 04:09 PM	#26
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	Cowboys \| Team Entertaining Trade Offers For Allen, But Will Not Release Him - from www.KFFL.com Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:20:22 -0700 Jean-Jacques Taylor, of the Dallas Morning News, reports a difference in workout philosophy is the dispute between Dallas Cowboys head coach Bill Parcells and OG Larry Allen, according to two sources with the club. The Cowboys will entertain trade offers for Allen, but the team will not release him. Yeah, that's what I want. An out-of-shape lineman who won't work out, and has a huge cap figure. Want my first round pick? __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

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