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CrazyCanuck · 04-13-2004, 07:24 PM

I agree with Crisp as well.

Losing Samuels would hurt us in 2004, but from all indications the Skins are on a 3 year plan. No point keeping Samuels for 2004 if we're gonna lose him in 2005 anyways.

We have assembled a great core of young guys that we can keep thru 2006 and beyond. Samuels should extend his contract to become a part of this core, or we should try to unload him.

The Skins gotta find a way to turn Samuels into Gallery without giving up the #5.

SKINSnCANES · 04-13-2004, 07:27 PM

Come on Samuels, rework the deal so we can keep you and get KWII and Taylor.

CrazyCanuck · 04-13-2004, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

He said he would redo his deal but didnt want an extension. Does that mean he will take a new, two year contract and pay cut?

Restructuring without an extension does nothing for us. There's too much accumulated signing bonus remaining on his contract. An extension would be the only way to get short-term cap relief, by pushing more money to future years.

SKINSnCANES · 04-13-2004, 07:29 PM

The extension would have to have a small signing bonus though. It would have to give him the 20 million he should get in the next two years, over 4 or 5. If we give him another big deal we'll be in the same cap hell down the road again. We're going to have to take a big hit when we cut Brunell in two or three years to.

sportscurmudgeon · 04-14-2004, 03:33 PM

Let me remind all of you again that I don't read minds so I can't be positive about why Samuels has not reworked his deal.

I SUSPECT that he has lost some measure of faith in the team to come up with the money in his "big payoff" years when they actually come due. He has already redone his deal at least once - and maybe twice - with some minor tweaking to let the Skins survive previous cap problems. He has seen teammates not get the big money years at the ends of their deals. He has seen one teammate with an incentive loaded deal pushed back to a point where it is far less likely that he will earn those incentives. And so he says to himself, why do this again? Why not take the money that "they" owe "me"?

From his perspective, he is going to have to take a really low salary number this year and maybe next in order to get a bonus that makes his deal cap friendly. That means he is deferring the current salary AND the potential signing bonus he would get just by playing out his deal and going into the open market. If you add his salaries together and then add in a potential signing bonus for a solid OT who may not make the Hall of Fame but who can play at the NFL level, you are probably in the range of a $15-18M signing bonus right now. And to make that deal cap friendly, he has to make that at least a 6 year deal and maybe 8.

And maybe he's not ready to commit to that just yet - since maybe he thinks the Redskins aren't committed to him just yet.

offiss · 04-14-2004, 03:47 PM

Samuel's seem's like a real quality guy as a person, and I would like to see him play under bugel, but he has to step up and rework his contract, it's not like we are asking him to take a pay cut after 2 pro-bowl year's, he has defiently under achieved and should consider this with a restructuring of his contract, he's being paid a lot of money to play a game, and he's a multi millionaire, I think he has to take this into account if he want's to do everything he can to help the team win, it's not like snyder is a penny pincher, he takes care of his own, hopefully he will come around.

SKINSnCANES · 04-14-2004, 04:08 PM

I do think Samuels deserves another chance. Hes already a proven talent, that had two bad years under different coaching systems. our team has been through a lot with all of these different coachs and i think we should think twice before lettign anyone go. Mabye even Trotter... That isnt meant to start another Trotter thread, we all knwo he isnt the best in coverage, but we did have coachs that played him in coverage when he shouldnt have been. A good coach knows where his strengts are and plays to them. Ive seen Lavar play coverage and hes broken up a bunch of passes, it should have been his job more than Trotters. Trotter should have been a blitzer

04-13-2004, 07:27 PM	#17
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	Come on Samuels, rework the deal so we can keep you and get KWII and Taylor. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-13-2004, 07:29 PM	#19
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	The extension would have to have a small signing bonus though. It would have to give him the 20 million he should get in the next two years, over 4 or 5. If we give him another big deal we'll be in the same cap hell down the road again. We're going to have to take a big hit when we cut Brunell in two or three years to. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-14-2004, 04:08 PM	#22
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	I do think Samuels deserves another chance. Hes already a proven talent, that had two bad years under different coaching systems. our team has been through a lot with all of these different coachs and i think we should think twice before lettign anyone go. Mabye even Trotter... That isnt meant to start another Trotter thread, we all knwo he isnt the best in coverage, but we did have coachs that played him in coverage when he shouldnt have been. A good coach knows where his strengts are and plays to them. Ive seen Lavar play coverage and hes broken up a bunch of passes, it should have been his job more than Trotters. Trotter should have been a blitzer __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

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04-13-2004, 07:24 PM	#16
CrazyCanuck Serenity Now Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,008	I agree with Crisp as well. Losing Samuels would hurt us in 2004, but from all indications the Skins are on a 3 year plan. No point keeping Samuels for 2004 if we're gonna lose him in 2005 anyways. We have assembled a great core of young guys that we can keep thru 2006 and beyond. Samuels should extend his contract to become a part of this core, or we should try to unload him. The Skins gotta find a way to turn Samuels into Gallery without giving up the #5.

04-14-2004, 03:33 PM	#20
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Let me remind all of you again that I don't read minds so I can't be positive about why Samuels has not reworked his deal. I SUSPECT that he has lost some measure of faith in the team to come up with the money in his "big payoff" years when they actually come due. He has already redone his deal at least once - and maybe twice - with some minor tweaking to let the Skins survive previous cap problems. He has seen teammates not get the big money years at the ends of their deals. He has seen one teammate with an incentive loaded deal pushed back to a point where it is far less likely that he will earn those incentives. And so he says to himself, why do this again? Why not take the money that "they" owe "me"? From his perspective, he is going to have to take a really low salary number this year and maybe next in order to get a bonus that makes his deal cap friendly. That means he is deferring the current salary AND the potential signing bonus he would get just by playing out his deal and going into the open market. If you add his salaries together and then add in a potential signing bonus for a solid OT who may not make the Hall of Fame but who can play at the NFL level, you are probably in the range of a $15-18M signing bonus right now. And to make that deal cap friendly, he has to make that at least a 6 year deal and maybe 8. And maybe he's not ready to commit to that just yet - since maybe he thinks the Redskins aren't committed to him just yet.

04-14-2004, 03:47 PM	#21
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 60 Posts: 3,097	Samuel's seem's like a real quality guy as a person, and I would like to see him play under bugel, but he has to step up and rework his contract, it's not like we are asking him to take a pay cut after 2 pro-bowl year's, he has defiently under achieved and should consider this with a restructuring of his contract, he's being paid a lot of money to play a game, and he's a multi millionaire, I think he has to take this into account if he want's to do everything he can to help the team win, it's not like snyder is a penny pincher, he takes care of his own, hopefully he will come around.

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