Did anyone else watch Comcast postgame? (Lavar Related)

[footballfan]

Lavar should be on the field thats the bottom line any other team out thier would kill to get a linebacker like that the skins are making a huge mistake he to good of an athlete to be watching.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by tjmorgan

Exactly. Why do we not have packages in place just for Lavar. If he does not stay put in coverage, fine, don't use him in coverage. Put there are clearly times when we want to pressure the qb, and he is the best person on the team for that. He is a pure athlete, let him use those talents to beat his man. If he gets double teamed, then someone else has the chance of getting the qb. Third and long, bring the blitz. Lavar is the man for that down.

Williams essentially said that on the postgame, but there were no situations (specifically third and long) that fit the packages that Arrington was in on. Denver consistently had 3rd and 5 or 3rd and 8. Those are the exact situations where you need people to be in the right spots.. Let's assume he's in for as a pass rusher and he's supposed to take an inside charge and he thinks he reads something and goes outside to use his 'athletic ability' to beat his man to make a big play but the draw play goes right thru his gap for a first down or more. 3rd and 15, 3rd and 18 those plays don't happen. Those are the plays that kill a team..

Originally Posted by Southpaw

This is the dumbest comment I've ever heard about LaVar, and I'm not the least bit suprised it came from the mouth of Brian Mitchell. Someone please give me an example of a game that LaVar has lost for the Skins, because the only game I can remember LaVar being single handedly responsible for the outcome was the Carolina game a few years back when the Skins were 0-5 and looking at 0-6 and LaVar intercepted the ball and returned it for a touchdown. Winning the game, and basically single handedly turning the season around.

Everyone wants to discount the "conspiricy theories", but no one thinks that LaVar having a contract dispute recently and bad mouthing the medical staff in the offseason has anything to do with him not playing? Also, he can only void his final two years of his contract if he makes the Pro Bowl twice in the next two years, but hmmm... the three time pro bowler isn't playing good enough to start. I bet LaVar gets a lot more playing time around week 6 or 7, when he'll be unable to get the type of stats needed to make the Pro Bowl.

A couple of years ago, when George Edwards was def. coord, I don't remember the exact games, but there were about 3-4 of them that freelancing on defense cost us victories.. I can remember one specific play in the Carolina game that year where Trotter's freelancing resulted in a long TD pass to the back out of the backfield.. Look, I am a HUGE Lavar fan, but I also defer to the coaches knowing what's best for the team moreso than I do.. I think last year against Cleveland he got beat by coming up on Garcia (playing outside the scheme) and Aaron Shea got behind him for the winning TD.. That may have been M. Washington, I don't remember, but I know it was a loss because of that..

Let me just point out the major hole in the contract/keeping him out of the lineup logic regarding Lavar.. Nobody on the coaching staff wants to lose games. If you had a player that you think will significantly improve your chances of winning games you don't play him because of spite? The Redskins aren't hurting for money, it will seriously impact the cap to trade or release him in the offseason, so they aren't holding him out for financial reasons. Leaving him on the bench hurts his trade value so there's no motivation there. I just don't get how the Redskins benefit from sabotaging their season for spite as has been suggested..

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Let me just point out the major hole in the contract/keeping him out of the lineup logic regarding Lavar.. Nobody on the coaching staff wants to lose games. If you had a player that you think will significantly improve your chances of winning games you don't play him because of spite? The Redskins aren't hurting for money, it will seriously impact the cap to trade or release him in the offseason, so they aren't holding him out for financial reasons. Leaving him on the bench hurts his trade value so there's no motivation there. I just don't get how the Redskins benefit from sabotaging their season for spite as has been suggested..

I love voices of reason.

Thank you.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I love voices of reason.

Thank you.

I just don't understand how that's not crystal clear to everyone. :frusty:

[Stacks42]

All Im saying is that you should have you best players in, and LA is definetly a "game breaker" for the Skins. Maybe he would have had one of his bone jarring hits on Bell or Plummer yesterday and changed the tied of the game. Or maybe LA would have freelanced and let Bell run all over the team for TD's of 55 and 34 yards, wait our LBs did that without him. And stating that the D did great to hold the Broncos to 257 yards, doesnt make sense because they let them score 21 and win the game.

[BigSKINBauer]

there is no consiparcy, that is rediculous. i have only heard one person question williams in the manner described which is a hell A HELL of a lot less than it was for GIbbs. It is ok to wonder why Lavar isn't in there but i think that lavar is learning and will be in soon, even taylor after missing the offseason didn't start during the preseason but lavar was injured all last year.

what i don't understand is why holdman who has had less time in our defense could be starting. I don't care what anyone says holdman isn't a major player on our D, one could argue he is the least significant player on our D.

If GW wants to keep him out i am not gonna argue, i will be upset if this is lavar's role the whole year, i just don't think he is gonna be a bench warmer the entire season

[hail_2_da_skins]

Now that's a good post. Levar makes big plays that can change the game around. All those GM's that claims he freelances will be the first ones to call when he becomes a free agent.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by tjmorgan

I agree that Lavar tends to play out of position. But clearly we need a pass rush. No sacks yesterday. I can believe that there is not at least one package that he fits into where all he has to do is rush the qb. No need to fall into protection or stop the run, simply all out rush on the passer. I find it very hard to believe that he can't at least contribute that way. The man is a beast and to stop him on a blitz is tough. At least with him in the game, offenses have to think about him and maybe it allows someone else to get the qb. It is a shame not to get any sacks and have him sitting on the bench. Just my opionion.

But remember the sack leader for the Redskins in 2004 was Sean Springs. The reason being, GW doesn't have to send a LB to sack the QB. Instead send the CB's in and let the LB's bring the wood if the pass gets off. I'm a big Lavar fan as most of you. I've got the authenic jersey and the whole nine yards. But I'm not putting GW down because of a personal dilemma Lavar has in respecting and adjusting to the current coaching staff. If he doesn't want to play within the package set up for him he doesn't deserve to play. How can we speculate on Lavar would do if he were in the game more often when he hasn't made any impact when he has played? He's becoming a distraction and it's a sad commentary on his part.

[TDSkins]

I'd just hate to see LaVar making a greater impact somewhere else and he did not get an opportunity to even make one here.

[jamf]

I actually respect GW more for benching a superstar and saying he needs to get his ass to work.

but the thing that bothers me is, why didnt he have this problem last year? Lavar started early in the year. once he came back he played in a limited role, we assumed the injury limited his role.

Its hard to be critical of GW system. it works. but he needs to be more aggressive or atleast use the stars in a way that allows them to make big plays. taylor has been too quiet, he needs to be on the line more. washington doesnt get enough blitzes and arrington, well....

the defence cant give up big plays and not create any. the taylor hit in the dallas game was the only big play on defence all year.

[TDSkins]

Originally Posted by jamf

the defence cant give up big plays and not create any. the taylor hit in the dallas game was the only big play on defence all year.

Actually he had a great hit on Anderson in the red-zone that sent him flying back. But hits like that can for sure make an impact if it was done at FedEx to get us all PUMPED for more!!!

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I just don't understand how that's not crystal clear to everyone. :frusty:

It's not crystal clear to everyone because the numbers don't lie. All other starting linebackers have more than twice the tackles that Holdman has. Springs and even Carlos Rogers have more tackles than him. Walt Harris has one less than him and he's been injured for two games. What kind of linebacker has 2.5 tackles a game? And what's so good about being "in position" if your blocked on every play that comes your way?

All I'm saying is, opposing offenses fear Lavar. He's a disruptive force on the field and a playmaker. As I said before, if "freelancing" is the reason he's not on the field, why isn't Omar Stoutmire starting over Sean Taylor?

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by jamf

I actually respect GW more for benching a superstar and saying he needs to get his ass to work.

but the thing that bothers me is, why didnt he have this problem last year? Lavar started early in the year. once he came back he played in a limited role, we assumed the injury limited his role.

Its hard to be critical of GW system. it works. but he needs to be more aggressive or atleast use the stars in a way that allows them to make big plays. taylor has been too quiet, he needs to be on the line more. washington doesnt get enough blitzes and arrington, well....

the defence cant give up big plays and not create any. the taylor hit in the dallas game was the only big play on defence all year.

I don't think GW wants to use Lavar in the same way that we have become accustomed to knowing him. (Pass rusher). GW likes to send CB's who are faster than most LB's. I could understand why we didn't blitz in yesterday's game. GW watched Plummer struggle to throw against our defense and wanted Denver to resort to their ground attack which worked in their favor. Lavar has to keep his emotions in check which has been noticed by several people at Redskins park who said he and Coach Gibbs were in an heated argument. It doesn't look good. Greg Williams's philosophy in this case is right and just for this team which lacked discipline for many years. Its time for a change and at attitude of the player can help or hurt.

[MTK]

Ugh, this is seriously turning in to Ramsey/Brunell all over again.

Trust and have faith folks.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Ugh, this is seriously turning in to Ramsey/Brunell all over again.

Trust and have faith folks.

I do have faith in Gregg Williams scheme, but it's hard to believe the words that come out of their mouth when the article in the Washington Times today has comments like this:

"But Coach Joe has been trying to set a certain tone since he returned to Washington, and he'll go to any lengths to accomplish his objective. If he has to bench a three-time Pro Bowl linebacker, a $6 million-a-year man, to get his point across, he'll do it."

But yeah, LaVar not playing has everything to do with his on field performance and nothing to do with spite or ego...