WP: Haynesworth will skip minicamp, wants trade

[JoeRedskin]

^^ If he "doesn't show up" either figuratively or literallly, he is not going to get his 100M. There are provisions in the CBA that let the Skins recoup their money (I am assuming that the contract incorporates the terms of the CBA applicable at the time of signing even if it is now expired). But if he shows up and goes half assed, the CBA lets the Skins recoup their money. If he doesn't show, he forfeits substantial amounts of the contract.

Besides, do you want to set the precedent that the current Denver regime is following? Whine enough (a' la Cutler & Marshall) and we will send you away.

Nope, pay him to ride the pine and call it a bad business decision. If he doesn't give the requisite level of effort, fine him for everything and anything you can, call him out at meetings & in the press (avoiding slander of course), make his professional life as miserable as you legally can. All the while saying, smiling and telling him daily "hope you're enjoying your money. Now, go sit on the pine."

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

^^ If he "doesn't show up" either figuratively or literallly, he is not going to get his 100M. There are provisions in the CBA that let the Skins recoup their money (I am assuming that the contract incorporates the terms of the CBA applicable at the time of signing even if it is now expired). But if he shows up and goes half assed, the CBA lets the Skins recoup their money. If he doesn't show, he forfeits substantial amounts of the contract.

Besides, do you want to set the precedent that the current Denver regime is following? Whine enough (a' la Cutler & Marshall) and we will send you away.

Nope, pay him to ride the pine and call it a bad business decision. If he doesn't give the requisite level of effort, fine him for everything and anything you can, call him out at meetings & in the press (avoiding slander of course), make his professional life as miserable as you legally can. All the while saying, smiling and telling him daily "hope you're enjoying your money. Now, go sit on the pine."

Yeah, there was a good quote in one of these articles that said something like, "Make him sit on the bench and become everything he doesn't want to be: unproductive and forgotten." Beautiful.

[Mc2guy]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Yeah, there was a good quote in one of these articles that said something like, "Make him sit on the bench and become everything he doesn't want to be: unproductive and forgotten." Beautiful.

I would go one step further. If I am Shanahan, I would actually use the media and teammates to antagonize Haynesworth. I would air all the dirty laundry, call him everything short of a d*&k in the media, and encourage teammates like London and Daniel and McNabb to tell everyone what a shit this guy is.

I would push every button that I could, legally short of slander, and antagonize this guy relentlessly. I would try and make this big baby so furious that there would be no WAY he would consider coming in for Training Camp. Make it so Albert would have to tuck his tail, swallow his pride, and show up for camp humiliated, and I promise you that he won't. He's too big an ego...too much false pride to hear all that smack and show up.

Then, once he doesn't show, I would have firm legal ground to sue for the money and release him outright. He would be lucky to be picked up by a bottom dweller team for an incentive only minimum contract two year deal at that point.

Stick it to him...

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Mc2guy

I would go one step further. If I am Shanahan, I would actually use the media and teammates to antagonize Haynesworth. I would air all the dirty laundry, call him everything short of a d*&k in the media, and encourage teammates like London and Daniel and McNabb to tell everyone what a shit this guy is.

I would push every button that I could, legally short of slander, and antagonize this guy relentlessly. I would try and make this big baby so furious that there would be no WAY he would consider coming in for Training Camp. Make it so Albert would have to tuck his tail, swallow his pride, and show up for camp humiliated, and I promise you that he won't. He's too big an ego...too much false pride to hear all that smack and show up.

Then, once he doesn't show, I would have firm legal ground to sue for the money and release him outright. He would be lucky to be picked up by a bottom dweller team for an incentive only minimum contract two year deal at that point.

Stick it to him...

Honestly..I think the best thing to do is forget he is on the team. Shanny and Allen put a "no Hayensworth" talk on the team. Advise the media if they talk about Hayensworth, then the session is over. The best way to get this fat ass to either give the money back and get cut/traded or to come to work and play is to just pretend he isn't even a part of the organization. Business as usual at Redskin Park, play football with who we have, and just move on. When he realizes these guys aren't going to give in to what I want, then maybe he'll play, or maybe he'll give some or all of the 21million back and we'll cut him. I just think playing this crap out in the media, having all the guys on the team and front office and being all over the OTA's, the mandatory camps, the papers, ESPN, MASN is exactly what him and his agent want. They want it posted everywhere, talked about all the time so they can say "look at the distraction its causing, get him out of here or cut him or its going to get worse" Like I said, I would just act like he isn't even on the team until he shows up.

[saden1]

Letting him ride the bench is a waste of a roster spot.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by saden1

Letting him ride the bench is a waste of a roster spot.

Not really. Somebody has to play the final back up DT. Even half assed, fat albert is better than most 3rd or 4th string DT's. It's late in the game, he goes in to relieve the starters for a play or two. Never play him in a critical time, but he still gets 3 or 4 plays a game to be a deadweight.

Oh, and guess who is playing every preseason snap?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Yeah, there was a good quote in one of these articles that said something like, "Make him sit on the bench and become everything he doesn't want to be: unproductive and forgotten." Beautiful.

If Haynesworth comes back, everyday Shanahan should come up to the guys next to Haynesworth's locker and say "Llet see some hard work today - that's what makes players great. Dog it, and be forgotten. Oh, by the way, 92, no need to get dressed. Your riding the pine again today."

In meetings, "See Lorenzo's hustle - and that's the third position he's learned, notice how he goes full tilt and adapts to whatever required of him? That's how Hall of Famer's play. Too bad not everyone in this room has his drive. - Nothing could stop us then."

To the press, "Haynesworth a distraction? Naww. He is an excellent example of wasted talent. His actions help motivate the guys who actually play."

Truthfully, selfish as he is, I think Haynesworth really wants to be considered a great player. I am betting that sitting on the bench, being professionally embarrased and ignored would just eat him up.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

If Haynesworth comes back, everyday Shanahan should come up to the guys next to Haynesworth's locker and say "Llet see some hard work today - that's what makes players great. Dog it, and be forgotten. Oh, by the way, 92, no need to get dressed. Your riding the pine again today."

In meetings, "See Lorenzo's hustle - and that's the third position he's learned, notice how he goes full tilt and adapts to whatever required of him? That's how Hall of Famer's play. Too bad not everyone in this room has his drive. - Nothing could stop us then."

To the press, "Haynesworth a distraction? Naww. He is an excellent example of wasted talent. His actions help motivate the guys who actually play."

Truthfully, selfish as he is, I think Haynesworth really wants to be considered a great player. I am betting that sitting on the bench, being professionally embarrased and ignored would just eat him up.

I like your style, Joe.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Yeah, there was a good quote in one of these articles that said something like, "Make him sit on the bench and become everything he doesn't want to be: unproductive and forgotten." Beautiful.

Originally Posted by Lotus

a) if AH gets his head screwed on correctly and shows up ready to play, play him
b) if he eventually shows up but is not ready to contribute, let him languish on the bench
c) if he never shows up, don't trade him. Put him in the closet and Sean Gilbert him for a year. Let him be everything that he doesn't want to be: unproductive and forgotten, with a wasted year shaved off of his career.

I believe that quote was not from an article.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I believe that quote was not from an article.

Ah nice -- even better, one of our own. Well said.

[JoeRedskin]

Just as an aside, isn't it possible that Rogers and McIntosh are following these proceedings and watching how the new regime handles things? If Shanahan and Allen are playing hardball with Haynesworth and his 100M contract, you think Rogers and McIntosh might think twice before trying to draw a line in the sand?

[sandtrapjack]

Forgive me if someone else said the same thing.
But how is this different from any other hold out from any other team from years past?

We all know the scenario. Player unhappy, player sits out voluntary OTA's, player sits out mini camp. Player demands trade.

Training camp rolls around. Player fails to show for first day. Player fails to show for second day. Player fails to show on third day. Team hits player with fines for not showing up.

Now the holdout is affecting the players back account. Player shows up on day 5, kisses and makes up with cocach. Team waives fines. Player joins team mates on field, apoligizes and swears allegance to team.

Seen it a hundred times in the past (Ochocinco comes immediatley to mind). The player will continue to kick and scream for a trade, calling out the origanization. And at this point what has it cost the player? NOTHING. He is still getting paid, he has not been fined, he is not facing any discipline. He has lost nothing.

Then, when he skips training camp days and NOW it starts costing HIM money, I assure you he will have a change of heart.

If any of these hold out players in the league were truly sincere in the demands to be traded, then, they should buy out the remainder of thier contract. If they really dont want to be there, if money is not the issue, then they should put thier money where thier mouth is and show some good faith on thier part and repay the organization the money they have paid out.

Promise you this is very very rare. I have never heard of this happening except in baseball and basketball. I've never seen it in the NFL.

So I am willing to bet that AH will kick and scream all the way up until he starts getting fined. Then he will have an "epiphany" and report to camp. Just sit back and watch.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Forgive me if someone else said the same thing.
But how is this different from any other hold out from any other team from years past?

We all know the scenario. Player unhappy, player sits out voluntary OTA's, player sits out mini camp. Player demands trade.

Training camp rolls around. Player fails to show for first day. Player fails to show for second day. Player fails to show on third day. Team hits player with fines for not showing up.

Now the holdout is affecting the players back account. Player shows up on day 5, kisses and makes up with cocach. Team waives fines. Player joins team mates on field, apoligizes and swears allegance to team.

Seen it a hundred times in the past (Ochocinco comes immediatley to mind). The player will continue to kick and scream for a trade, calling out the origanization. And at this point what has it cost the player? NOTHING. He is still getting paid, he has not been fined, he is not facing any discipline. He has lost nothing.

Then, when he skips training camp days and NOW it starts costing HIM money, I assure you he will have a change of heart.

If any of these hold out players in the league were truly sincere in the demands to be traded, then, they should buy out the remainder of thier contract. If they really dont want to be there, if money is not the issue, then they should put thier money where thier mouth is and show some good faith on thier part and repay the organization the money they have paid out.

Promise you this is very very rare. I have never heard of this happening except in baseball and basketball. I've never seen it in the NFL.

So I am willing to bet that AH will kick and scream all the way up until he starts getting fined. Then he will have an "epiphany" and report to camp. Just sit back and watch.

he still has to pay the fines. i'm pretty sure teams don't waive them. the giants didn't when strahan decided to skip all of caughlin's camp and it was something like 200k out of a 4 mil salary.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

So I am willing to bet that AH will kick and scream all the way up until he starts getting fined. Then he will have an "epiphany" and report to camp. Just sit back and watch.

No question this worthless fat-ass will show up to camp and go through the motions. Problem is no one wants him here because we know that's exactly what he's going to do. MS/BA and the 99% of players that showed up to all the OTAs are trying to change the culture and put a winning team on the field. Can't do that with a big, fat malcontent on the field.

And what the F does this guy have to complain about, the vast majority of player holdouts concern $$$ and wanting more vs. their production/value (or perceived value). Fat-ass is the highest paid defensive player....ever.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Forgive me if someone else said the same thing.
But how is this different from any other hold out from any other team from years past?

We all know the scenario. Player unhappy, player sits out voluntary OTA's, player sits out mini camp. Player demands trade.

Training camp rolls around. Player fails to show for first day. Player fails to show for second day. Player fails to show on third day. Team hits player with fines for not showing up.

Now the holdout is affecting the players back account. Player shows up on day 5, kisses and makes up with cocach. Team waives fines. Player joins team mates on field, apoligizes and swears allegance to team.

Seen it a hundred times in the past (Ochocinco comes immediatley to mind). The player will continue to kick and scream for a trade, calling out the origanization. And at this point what has it cost the player? NOTHING. He is still getting paid, he has not been fined, he is not facing any discipline. He has lost nothing.

Then, when he skips training camp days and NOW it starts costing HIM money, I assure you he will have a change of heart.

If any of these hold out players in the league were truly sincere in the demands to be traded, then, they should buy out the remainder of thier contract. If they really dont want to be there, if money is not the issue, then they should put thier money where thier mouth is and show some good faith on thier part and repay the organization the money they have paid out.

Promise you this is very very rare. I have never heard of this happening except in baseball and basketball. I've never seen it in the NFL.

So I am willing to bet that AH will kick and scream all the way up until he starts getting fined. Then he will have an "epiphany" and report to camp. Just sit back and watch.

Sandtrap, this is WAY different than the avg. holdout. The avg. holdout is a guy who is demanding a renegotiated contract, not a guy that just cashed the largest paycheck ever for his position in the nfl. Those guys that "kiss and make up" w/their team in the middle of training camp, usually only do so because they've just signed a new (bigger) contract.

The only thing the skins could do is go back to running a 4-3 defense. EVen then, he was unhappy w/the lack of freedom he had in the system last year.

Adam Schefter said there was a chance that the skins could get some of their money back because this case is "so egregious." How often have you heard that about a player not reporting?

This isn't really a holdout, it's a flat out no-show!