What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins

[diehard]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Yeah, exactly. Bears fans were all excited because they had 2 "good young QB" and especially the way Cutler exited the NFC Championship game under questionable circumstances some extremes called for an open competition or even for Haine to be the starter. Some thought he was the real deal after one impressive performance but turned out to be a fluke when pressed into consistent action.

Case closed.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Probably not a great direct comparison to Flynn's situation, but I think his point was after that game Hanie was looked at as being a QB on the rise.

Kiper and McShay were referring to both him and Hoyer a lot during the pre-draft process last year as examples of late round QB's that could find starting jobs in the near future and fetch draft picks for their current teams. I think Flynn was also included in that discussion.

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Testy around here. It's offseason, I guess. We'll know soon enough.

................**** you.......um lol jk haha. but srs **** you lol jk haha

[SBXVII]

Here is a nice write up.

2012 NFL Free Agent Profile: Matt Flynn - Hogs Haven

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Here is a nice write up.

2012 NFL Free Agent Profile: Matt Flynn - Hogs Haven

Good read

#Hail to the Redskins

[REDSKINS4ever]

This is my take on Matt Flynn. The guy is overrated. He has played admiringly great in the two games that he's replaced Aaron Rogers to run the first team offense. But against the Patriots last year and the Lions this year, that's only two games. The guy has not been a legitimate starter and you can't properly evaluate a back up quarterback based on what he did in just two lousy games.

Secondly, as a lot of people would agree, a free agent signing of a QB is not how you win in the NFL. In the last seven Super Bowls, a first round draft choice has played quarterback. If anything, that alone should be the standard for drafting your own QB. A free agent QB will always be hit or miss while a quarterback drafted in the first round is almost always a hit. In today's NFL, only a first round selection at quarterback guarantees success at that position.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

This is my take on Matt Flynn. The guy is overrated. He has played admiringly great in the two games that he's replaced Aaron Rogers to run the first team offense. But against the Patriots last year and the Lions this year, that's only two games. The guy has not been a legitimate starter and you can't properly evaluate a back up quarterback based on what he did in just two lousy games.

Secondly, as a lot of people would agree, a free agent signing of a QB is not how you win in the NFL. In the last seven Super Bowls, a first round draft choice has played quarterback. If anything, that alone should be the standard for drafting your own QB. A free agent QB will always be hit or miss while a quarterback drafted in the first round is almost always a hit. In today's NFL, only a first round selection at quarterback guarantees success at that position.

Drew Brees won it, he was a free agent signing, and Kurt Warner went there as a FA to Arizona

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Drew Brees won it, he was a free agent signing, and Kurt Warner went there as a FA to Arizona

As I said, hit or miss. But how often does that happen? Very rarely. Warner won the Super Bowl in 1999 and lost it on 2008. Brees won it in 2009. Warner was not a free agent pick up coming from another team. He signed from off of the street without any NFL experience. As far as Brees goes, the Chargers did get a draft pick later from New Orleans as compensation. Brees was released due to the Chargers having spent a #1 draft pick on Phillip Rivers and Brees was coming off a career threatening shoulder injury.


From 2004 until 2010, a first round draft choice played quarterback in the Super Bowl. Anyway you put it, three first round draft choice QBs remain active in the playoffs which means one of them or two of them will be in the Super Bowl again for the 8th straight year.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

As I said, hit or miss. But how often does that happen? Very rarely. Warner won the Super Bowl in 1999 and lost it on 2008. Brees won it in 2009. Warner was not a free agent pick up coming from another team. He signed from off of the street without any NFL experience. As far as Brees goes, the Chargers did get a draft pick later from New Orleans as compensation. Brees was released due to the Chargers having spent a #1 draft pick on Phillip Rivers and Brees was coming off a career threatening shoulder injury.


From 2004 until 2010, a first round draft choice played quarterback in the Super Bowl. Anyway you put it, three first round draft choice QBs remain active in the playoffs which means one of them or two of them will be in the Super Bowl again for the 8th straight year.

You cannot argue with data; you are absolutely correct.

Here is some more data you cannot argue with. Here are first round QB picks over the last decade or so who have been "less than satisfactory":

Tim Couch
Akili Smith
Duante Culpepper (injury ended his career early)
Cade McNown
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Patrick Ramsey (fondly remembered around here...)
Byron Leftwich (not horrible but not great either)
Kyle Boller
Rex Grossman (you already have a first round pick in town; why worry about getting another one)
JP Losman
Jason Campbell (Skins ditched that first round pick...)
Vince Young
Matt Leinart
JaMarcus Russell
Brady Quinn

The data say that you can find great QBs in the first round AND that you can find mediocre QBs in the first round AND that you can find QBs that just cannot play in the first round.

[theJBexperience]

Time to get testy.

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

You cannot argue with data; you are absolutely correct.

Here is some more data you cannot argue with. Here are first round QB picks over the last decade or so who have been "less than satisfactory":

Tim Couch
Akili Smith
Duante Culpepper (injury ended his career early)
Cade McNown
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Patrick Ramsey (fondly remembered around here...)
Byron Leftwich (not horrible but not great either)
Kyle Boller
Rex Grossman (you already have a first round pick in town; why worry about getting another one)
JP Losman
Jason Campbell (Skins ditched that first round pick...)
Vince Young
Matt Leinart
JaMarcus Russell
Brady Quinn

Here's another list. You can find data to support any argument. These are 1st Round QBs from the last decade or so who have been more than satisfactory.

Peyton Manning
Ben Roethlisberger
Aaron Rodgers
Mike Vick
Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Donovan McNabb
Jay Cutler
Matt Ryan
Matthew Stafford
Carson Palmer
Chad Pennington
Tim Tebow
Cam Newton
Joe Flacco
Josh Freeman


And then if we need even more data. We can go back a bit further and find some more stellar 1st Round QBs.

John Elway
Dan Marino
Sammy Baugh
Otto Graham
Terry Bradshaw
Doug Williams
Troy Aikman
Drew Bledsoe
Jim Kelly
Jim Plunkett
Joe Namath
Len Dawson
Phil Simms
Roman Gabriel
John Brodie
Bob Griese
Earl Morrall
Bert Jones
YA Tittle
Archie Manning

Don't you love lists?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

This is my take on Matt Flynn. The guy is overrated. He has played admiringly great in the two games that he's replaced Aaron Rogers to run the first team offense. But against the Patriots last year and the Lions this year, that's only two games. The guy has not been a legitimate starter and you can't properly evaluate a back up quarterback based on what he did in just two lousy games.

Secondly, as a lot of people would agree, a free agent signing of a QB is not how you win in the NFL. In the last seven Super Bowls, a first round draft choice has played quarterback. If anything, that alone should be the standard for drafting your own QB. A free agent QB will always be hit or miss while a quarterback drafted in the first round is almost always a hit. In today's NFL, only a first round selection at quarterback guarantees success at that position.

Sorry but you're wrong on both counts.

As CB59 has already mentioned Brees was a free agent in NO, and was orginally a 2nd round pick.

We've had our share of first rounders come through here, that alone should show you that a first round QB is far from any sort of guarantee for success.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Sorry but you're wrong on both counts.

As CB59 has already mentioned Brees was a free agent in NO, and was orginally a 2nd round pick.

We've had our share of first rounders come through here, that alone should show you that a first round QB is far from any sort of guarantee for success.

You and several others completely misquoted me. I didn't say that Drew Brees, who was a 2nd round selection, and Kurt Warner, who was a free agent, didn't play in the Super Bowl. Anything other than a frachise QB either hit or miss as a said in my initial post.

I said nothing about the Redskins or their mess of quarterbacks under the Turner, Schottenheimer, Spurrier, Gibbs II, Zorn, and Shanahan regimes. I said nothing about that either. Again, you misquoted me.

I simply stated that the fact that during the last 7 Super Bowls, there has been a first round selection at quarterback that has played in the big game. Not necessarily won it but played in it. And there will be for the 8th straight Super Bowl one or two first round draft choices that will play in the Super Bowl in a few weeks.

So, most of the time, a first round draft choice playing quarterback is guaranteed success more so than a free agent QB or even a QB selected anywhere between the 2nd and 7th round of the draft.

Now, please quote me.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

You and several others completely misquoted me. I didn't say that Drew Brees, who was a 2nd round selection, and Kurt Warner, who was a free agent, didn't play in the Super Bowl. Anything other than a frachise QB either hit or miss as a said in my initial post.

I said nothing about the Redskins or their mess of quarterbacks under the Turner, Schottenheimer, Spurrier, Gibbs II, Zorn, and Shanahan regimes. I said nothing about that either. Again, you misquoted me.

I simply stated that the fact that during the last 7 Super Bowls, there has been a first round selection at quarterback that has played in the big game. Not necessarily won it but played in it. And there will be for the 8th straight Super Bowl one or two first round draft choices that will play in the Super Bowl in a few weeks.

So, most of the time, a first round draft choice playing quarterback is guaranteed success more so than a free agent QB or even a QB selected anywhere between the 2nd and 7th round of the draft.

Now, please quote me.

Gotcha.

I just don't see how first rounders are any sort of guarantee.

There are plenty of notable busts that show otherwise.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Gotcha.

I just don't see how first rounders are any sort of guarantee.

There are plenty of notable busts that show otherwise.

Mattyk, you're absolutely right. The Tim Couches, Ryan Leafs, Joey Harringtons and David Carrs, Matt Leinart, and maybe Vince Young to name a few have busted big time. But then there are others like Peyton Manning, Rex Grossman, Trent Dilfer, Donovan McNabb, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, and Aaron Rodgers with each of these former 1st round selected QBs making it to the Super Bowl since 2004.

All QBs don't succeed and all of them don't bust either.

And here we are again, with two former 1st overall selections with Eli Manning and Alex Smith about to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl and there's a good chance Joe Flacco, another first round selection possibly making it to the Super Bowl also.

All I'm saying is from the 2004 season to the 2011 season(8 seasons), there will be a first round draft pick quarterback playing in the Super Bowl. Success comes from drafting a quarterback in the first round.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

This is my take on Matt Flynn. The guy is overrated. He has played admiringly great in the two games that he's replaced Aaron Rogers to run the first team offense. But against the Patriots last year and the Lions this year, that's only two games. The guy has not been a legitimate starter and you can't properly evaluate a back up quarterback based on what he did in just two lousy games.

Secondly, as a lot of people would agree, a free agent signing of a QB is not how you win in the NFL. In the last seven Super Bowls, a first round draft choice has played quarterback. If anything, that alone should be the standard for drafting your own QB. A free agent QB will always be hit or miss while a quarterback drafted in the first round is almost always a hit. In today's NFL, only a first round selection at quarterback guarantees success at that position.

It is still more like 50/50. Look just at last years draft for comparison. It is not that easy to get a QB.

[SmootSmack]

In his defense, I think he just said a first round pick has played in the Super Bowl, not necessarily won. As have 2nd round picks, 6th round picks and FAs of course.