Redskins Sign Larry Johnson

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Thought this was pretty interesting..

Vermeil: Johnson will take Portis' job | ProFootballTalk.com

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http://www.thewarpath.net/674779-post316.html

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Oh my God. So I like totally found this article.

Redskins Insider - Dick Vermeil makes bold prediction about Larry Johnson, Clinton Portis

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

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Last edited by Dirtbag359; 03-17-2010 at 03:14 AM.

right before you made this post

trying to be clever are we?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Last edited by Dirtbag359; 03-17-2010 at 03:14 AM.

right before you made this post

trying to be clever are we?

Wait, let me get in on this fun

http://www.thewarpath.net/674603-post291.html

[dgw090767]

Nuckle heads 1a and 1b. Who knows maybe their two super large egos may make this thing work out for the better, but I'm not a big fan of the move.

[jsarno]

I just don't get this signing. Sure Johnson may have a year left in the tank, but look at his age, why in the world would we not just go young and get old cap issues off the books?
Assuming you can wrap your mind around the Johnson signing AND keeping Portis, the brass signs Rex freakin Grossman???? So our QB situation sucked last year, and the answer is rex grossman...our rb situation sucked last year and our answer is the aged Larry Johnson...why not coax Russ Grimm out of coaching to sure up our line?

I don't know about you guys, but I had a lot of faith in the brass, until these signings. They are just flat out not smart. We should be taking advantage of the no cap season. (yes, I get that "likely" there will never be a cap again according to the NFLPA, but can we really trust that?)

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I don't know about you guys, but I had a lot of faith in the brass, until these signings. They are just flat out not smart. We should be taking advantage of the no cap season. (yes, I get that "likely" there will never be a cap again according to the NFLPA, but can we really trust that?)

Okay, I'll bite. How should we, specifically, be taking advantage of the uncapped season?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Okay, I'll bite. How should we, specifically, be taking advantage of the uncapped season?

In particular, drop Portis. I applauded the effort of dropping Randel El, but not dropping Portis is a head scratcher unless we decided to get a rookie and let Portis mentor him. We really need youth. We had a lot of issues revolving around older players, and while we have gotten rid of a lot, we also lost a lot of talent (ie: Thomas / Samuels retirement). I just don't agree with signing a 30 year old to a 3 year contract at a position that hands down needs to be young.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jsarno

In particular, drop Portis. I applauded the effort of dropping Randel El, but not dropping Portis is a head scratcher unless we decided to get a rookie and let Portis mentor him. We really need youth. We had a lot of issues revolving around older players, and while we have gotten rid of a lot, we also lost a lot of talent (ie: Thomas / Samuels retirement). I just don't agree with signing a 30 year old to a 3 year contract at a position that hands down needs to be young.

I agree that you don't need a mentor to teach a rookie the playbook at RB, but a season from now, Portis' cap hit if released will be $5 million under the current rules (which, of course, are certainly subject to change). Granted that's $5 million we would otherwise have if we released him this year, but if we cut him this year, we lose somewhere between $7-9 million just to have him not play.

If we cut Portis in 2011, and there's a cap, we'll take a $5 million dollar deadcap hit.

If we cut Haynesworth in 2011, and there's a cap, we'll take a $19.8 million deadcap hit. ($3 million unrecognized of 2009 bonus + $16.8 million of unrecognized 2010 bonus). If we cut him today, we would owe him $25 million "cap dollars" (which come at no cost, this year) to get the heck out, but we'd recover $63.4 million of the "100 million dollar deal." If we kept Haynesworth though 2012 (it's effectively a four year deal), we would save $52.3 million of the 100 million. So Haynesworth's deal is essentially 4/48, as many before me have written. Or it can be 1/36. The marginal difference for the next three years of Albert Haynesworth is just $12 million dollars of bonuses and salary.

If we cut Hall in 2011, and there's a cap, we'll take a $13.4 million deadcap hit. But we'd save $28.5 million of the $53.5 million. So essentially, his deal would become 2/25. There's no real marginal gain on the Hall contract, so he's progressively more likely to get released every year, as opposed to Haynesworth, who is almost certainly going to be held through 2012, and then released.

If there's still no cap in 2011, I'd suggest that Hall is more likely than not to get released.

Compared to some of our more highly paid players, Portis is real easy to get rid of in 2011 even if there is a cap. We actually would SAVE $5 million over having him on the roster. It's Haynesworth and Hall who become huge strains on the cap if it gets reinstated in 2011.

I agree with you that if we decide we're not going to use him, we should release him prior to opening day.

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

You know, the more I think of it, the more i am begining ot like these moves. At first it thought of them in the replacement aspect. As replacements taking a number one spot, Rex and JL are HUGE mistakes! i mean, Rex at his best is HORRIBLE. LJ is even older than CP. And when it all adds up, neither replacement has anything in their resume that makes them a clear #1.

BUT!!!!

If you compare them to the number 2 guys, it TOTALY makes sense. Betts vs LJ is laughable! Comparing either their bests or average years make the decision very easy. As for Todd vs Rex... don't get me started. Todd has hardly any GAME experience and is too old to even JOKE that he has 'fresh legs'. I'll take a loser that lost a superbowl over a loser that hasn't won a starting spot in over a decade.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I just don't get this signing. Sure Johnson may have a year left in the tank, but look at his age, why in the world would we not just go young and get old cap issues off the books?
Assuming you can wrap your mind around the Johnson signing AND keeping Portis, the brass signs Rex freakin Grossman???? So our QB situation sucked last year, and the answer is rex grossman...our rb situation sucked last year and our answer is the aged Larry Johnson...why not coax Russ Grimm out of coaching to sure up our line?

I don't know about you guys, but I had a lot of faith in the brass, until these signings. They are just flat out not smart. We should be taking advantage of the no cap season. (yes, I get that "likely" there will never be a cap again according to the NFLPA, but can we really trust that?)

So what better alternatives did they pass up on?

They haven't gotten rid of cap issues? They are the third lowest payroll in the league.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

So what better alternatives did they pass up on?

You are assuming a FA...I thought we should have signed a young player out of the draft. Fresh legs.

They haven't gotten rid of cap issues? They are the third lowest payroll in the league.

I didn't say we had a high payroll, but Portis cap number is astronomical, and NOT worth it, why didn't Shanny just go ahead and start over?

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by jsarno

You are assuming a FA...I thought we should have signed a young player out of the draft. Fresh legs.



I didn't say we had a high payroll, but Portis cap number is astronomical, and NOT worth it, why didn't Shanny just go ahead and start over?

Who says they won't draft a runningback? Most teams carry 3. We have two definites right now.

They can cut Portis next year and gain a lot of cap space. There problem solved....

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Who says they won't draft a runningback? Most teams carry 3. We have two definites right now.

You're right, it just leans towards they won't.

They can cut Portis next year and gain a lot of cap space. There problem solved....

Assuming there is no cap.

So explain to me why we decided to get older at the one position that can't afford to get older? Help me understand why this is a good signing especially when you factor in his off the field issues?

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I just don't get this signing. Sure Johnson may have a year left in the tank, but look at his age, why in the world would we not just go young and get old cap issues off the books?
Assuming you can wrap your mind around the Johnson signing AND keeping Portis, the brass signs Rex freakin Grossman???? So our QB situation sucked last year, and the answer is rex grossman...our rb situation sucked last year and our answer is the aged Larry Johnson...why not coax Russ Grimm out of coaching to sure up our line?

I don't know about you guys, but I had a lot of faith in the brass, until these signings. They are just flat out not smart. We should be taking advantage of the no cap season. (yes, I get that "likely" there will never be a cap again according to the NFLPA, but can we really trust that?)

i really don't mind either move, if you asked for a straight up trade of betts and johnson, who would you take? i would take johnson everytime

as far as rex, he knows the system which gives him a head start, and i would rather have him as a backup/coach than todd collins any day of the week