Skins v Eagles post game thread

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

My bad I was talking about Belichick

As for Billick there was a time he was known as being an offensive guru in his time with the Vikes

Yeah, but I guess I always think of him more in a slow paced grind it out kind of way. Don't know that much about him though.

[JoeRedskin]

As to Fletch, it might be time to see how Barnett does in these types of games. Certainly, we could work him into the rotation.

Fletch makes up for his lack of speed by his recognition skills, still sometimes you just can't beat speed and I am wondering if maybe Barnett has a little more of it.

[CRedskinsRule]

Overreaction Tuesday continues:
Y! SPORTS

What a clown.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Overreaction Tuesday continues:
Y! SPORTS

What a clown.

There is a ton of sports media garbage within Yahoo sports. I mean, Bleacher Report level stuff.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

There is a ton of sports media garbage within Yahoo sports. I mean, Bleacher Report level stuff.

Yeah, Yahoo used to have a higher standard. Now it mixes real news with crap.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Overreaction Tuesday continues:
Y! SPORTS

What a clown.

I dont see him as being a clown,what do you disagree with? I think he's spot on about RG3,what do you disagree with?
Where he could be wrong is about Morris,by middle of the year teams knew not to under estimate Morris,so I think he's wrong there.But I think he will be right about Morris's production.He will probably still get a 1000 yards but I dont think he approaches last yrs 1600.Without the threat of Rg3 running and the misdirection of the read option he's not going to see the lanes he saw last yr

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I dont see him as being a clown,what do you disagree with? I think he's spot on about RG3,what do you disagree with?
Where he could be wrong is about Morris,by middle of the year teams knew not to under estimate Morris,so I think he's wrong there.But I think he will be right about Morris's production.He will probably still get a 1000 yards but I dont think he approaches last yrs 1600.Without the threat of Rg3 running and the misdirection of the read option he's not going to see the lanes he saw last yr

One of the things I disagree with is this.

"Defenses underestimated him but won't this season. Don't be surprised if he gains fewer than 1,000 yards this season. How talented can he be if so many pro scouts didn't view him as a top running back and the Skins didn't draft him until the sixth round?"

Keep in mind, Morris was one of the league leaders in yards after contact. You dont get that by being a terrible back. People stopped underestimating Alfred pretty early on last year. He was not underestimated the entire last half of the season when they won 7 straight.

I also cant stand the rational that if you are selected in the 6th round, then you are terrible football player. Tom Brady was a 6th rounder. Terrelle Davis was a 6th rounder. Joe Jacoby was undrafted back when there were a lot more than 7 rounds. The list goes on.

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

I also cant stand the rational that if you are selected in the 6th round, then you are terrible football player. Tom Brady was a 6th rounder. Terrelle Davis was a 6th rounder. Joe Jacoby was undrafted back when there were a lot more than 7 rounds. The list goes on.

Man... Fletcher must be really bad too...

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

One of the things I disagree with is this.

"Defenses underestimated him but won't this season. Don't be surprised if he gains fewer than 1,000 yards this season. How talented can he be if so many pro scouts didn't view him as a top running back and the Skins didn't draft him until the sixth round?"

Keep in mind, Morris was one of the league leaders in yards after contact. You dont get that by being a terrible back. People stopped underestimating Alfred pretty early on last year. He was not underestimated the entire last half of the season when they won 7 straight.

I also cant stand the rational that if you are selected in the 6th round, then you are terrible football player. Tom Brady was a 6th rounder. Terrelle Davis was a 6th rounder. Joe Jacoby was undrafted back when there were a lot more than 7 rounds. The list goes on.

What the hell does underestimating mean? I'm pretty sure if "underestimating" was even a think, teams stopped doing that last year around week 4.. Yet Morris went on to break a Redskins rushing record, and gashed the Cowboys for 200 yards in week 17 when RG3 could still barley walk.

I do agree that Morris may not have as good of a season as last year, but the way he presented that was pretty stupid. If you make an NFL roster, I'm pretty sure you're not "underestimated".

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I dont see him as being a clown,what do you disagree with? I think he's spot on about RG3,what do you disagree with?
Where he could be wrong is about Morris,by middle of the year teams knew not to under estimate Morris,so I think he's wrong there.But I think he will be right about Morris's production.He will probably still get a 1000 yards but I dont think he approaches last yrs 1600.Without the threat of Rg3 running and the misdirection of the read option he's not going to see the lanes he saw last yr

Because he first discredits RG3 as a passer but not acknowledging thats his strength, and basically says system QB. He says Morris wont be as good because he was picked in the 6th round.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Because he first discredits RG3 as a passer but not acknowledging thats his strength, and basically says system QB. He says Morris wont be as good because he was picked in the 6th round.

Yeah, that's not a sound argument that he made. That argument means that Tom Brady is no good.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I dont see him as being a clown,what do you disagree with? I think he's spot on about RG3,what do you disagree with?

For starters, this ridiculous statement:

So Griffin will be a passer much more of the time when he doesn't hand it off, making the Skins a more pedestrian offense. They will score fewer points because Griffin won't be scoring them running. Fewer points will translate to more losses.

He has obviously not watched Griffin play. He's just as dangerous of a passer as a runner. Also, look how effective Mike Shanahan's traditional roll-out offense was with Kirk Cousins running it, without the take-off and run ability that Griffin still has. Even if we abandon the option plays completely, which we won't, RGIII rolling out will be a dangerous offense to try to stop. He'll have open receivers and the defenses will still have to respect his legs. Also, instead of trying to run around the end of the line, he'll already be heading down the sidelines and the safety of the out-of-bounds lines after he gets the first down. He'll run that offense to perfection.

Seriously, "fewer points will translate to more losses" sounds like when John Madden said “Usually the team that scores the most points wins the game.”

Look at the Patriots so far this year, fewer points and still unbeaten. Good teams with elite QBs can find a way to win. That's exactly what we are now.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I dont see him as being a clown,what do you disagree with? I think he's spot on about RG3,what do you disagree with?
Where he could be wrong is about Morris,by middle of the year teams knew not to under estimate Morris,so I think he's wrong there.But I think he will be right about Morris's production.He will probably still get a 1000 yards but I dont think he approaches last yrs 1600.Without the threat of Rg3 running and the misdirection of the read option he's not going to see the lanes he saw last yr

A lot of others have already commented, but since you asked me what I disagree with I will answer. In simplest terms, I disagree with: the whole premise, the headline, the starting sentence, and the closing lines. In between all that is where I see him showing himself as a clown.

Originally Posted by Title

Brace yourselves, Washingtonians, for a psychological crash.

Often the title is written by someone other than the writer, so I don't know if he can be faulted for this, but every football fan goes through ups and downs, hi's and low's, even crashes followed by immense emotional joys. It's what draws us to sports and football especially.

Originally Posted by Starting sentence

The Redskins will disappoint you this season.

Again, I am sure they will in one sense, but not in the larger sense he is trying to propose, it's dumb to think a team that just put 27pts on another team is going to be a disappointment because of 2 offensive players

Originally Posted by Premise

They got your hopes up last year by capturing the NFC East title. It was the most exciting run the team has had since the glorious Joe Gibbs Super Bowl era that seems like so long ago. Expect lesser accomplishments this campaign. The reasons center on quarterback Robert Griffin III ("RG3") and running back Alfred Morris.

Further, in the last 10 regular/post season games, only twice have the Skins scored 14 or less, while 7 times they scored 27+. And this week they scored 27 when the two stars he is singling out, had admittedly bad games. So, by pointing out why the 2 stars will do worse, maybe we should even take heart that other players, like JReed, Hankerson, and Moss stepped up in the 2nd half. If we presume to acknowledge that Griffin/Morris will by default step back, the potential shown by the "lesser players" in this game should make it even more exciting.

Originally Posted by Closing Lines

The Redskins and RG3 have been heavily hyped this offseason. But do not expect any Redskins Super Bowl parties -- not even a playoff berth.

Actually, most preseason mags had us ranked 3rd or even 4th in the division, and while as the season drew near, and Griffin started looking to start, alot of media still raised similar questions to what he said here. I would love a Redskins SB Party, but show me any 2 NFL announcers(not named Larry Michaels/Joe Theismann) that put the Redskins in the SB. That said, I disagree, and think it's a clown statement to think that the Skins don't have a reasonable expectation of a playoff berth.

Finally, without nitpicking anymore, I think he's a clown if he bases his whole premise on basically 5-6 bad drives from two players in a game that had 13 drives, and even more so really 2-3 bad exchanges within those drives.

[CRedskinsRule]

Hankerson makes this grab, and we probably win that game:



That was Griffin getting close to last year's form.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Hankerson makes this grab, and we probably win that game:



That was Griffin getting close to last year's form.

Sigh, Hank.

Flashes some greatness, but always finds a way to drop a couple. If he can get his hands right he could be dangerous. Would have been tough catch as RG3 had a lot of mustard on it and it was tailing away from him but still, gotta make those key grabs to take it to the next level.