Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

[kct1975]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Well.....it has not looked very promising last season and so far this that any of these guys are the answer.
What the hell!
Might as well start a 2016 draft thread...right now.

I respectfully disagree...while I don't see the Redskins making the playoffs, if Jay Gruden is allowed to start either Colt or Kirk, I can see the Redskins possibility getting to 8-8.

As it is right now, however, with the way RG3 is playing, unless he improves, the best I see is 4-12.

[Hog1]

I do not really disagree with you. Both Colt and KC look better and run the O better than Robert at this time. BUT, they need some time with the first team to see if they can handle it. In the past they both have had serious ball control/turnover problems..........

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I do not really disagree with you. Both Colt and KC look better and run the O better than Robert at this time. BUT, they need some time with the first team to see if they can handle it. In the past they both have had serious ball control/turnover problems..........

Most QBs have ball control issues in their first 9 starts. The weird thing is many of them get better the more they play.

[Schneed10]

It's hard for us Skins fans to face this one hard truth: we don't have a quarterback.

So all the consternation over who starts, I don't think it really matters too much. I can't blame Snyder for saying if healthy RG3 has to start. None of the other QBs have stepped forward in a way that screams that they're obviously better than RG3. If we're going to be competitive it's on the rest of the team.

So McLoughan marches forward with building up the rest of the team, and probably knowing that QB is high on his shopping list next season.

Tough reality to swallow, but that's it.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

It's hard for us Skins fans to face this one hard truth: we don't have a quarterback.

So all the consternation over who starts, I don't think it really matters too much. I can't blame Snyder for saying if healthy RG3 has to start. None of the other QBs have stepped forward in a way that screams that they're obviously better than RG3. If we're going to be competitive it's on the rest of the team.

So McLoughan marches forward with building up the rest of the team, and probably knowing that QB is high on his shopping list next season.

Tough reality to swallow, but that's it.

I can't agree with you that we don't have a QB. Not yet, anyway. In the little I've seen of Kirk this year, he looks improved. Until he gets another shot, I'm not ready to write him off.

As for Scot marching forward building the rest of the team, we have a good man there. Furthermore, I clearly recall Mike Shanahan saying that Snyder doesn't care about any position on the team except QB, so Scot should have free rein in building most of the team. But will Snyder once again insert himself into the process of selecting any first round QB we might draft? I just can't envision Snyder allowing Scot to make that decision on his own.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

It's hard for us Skins fans to face this one hard truth: we don't have a quarterback.

So all the consternation over who starts, I don't think it really matters too much. I can't blame Snyder for saying if healthy RG3 has to start. None of the other QBs have stepped forward in a way that screams that they're obviously better than RG3. If we're going to be competitive it's on the rest of the team.

So McLoughan marches forward with building up the rest of the team, and probably knowing that QB is high on his shopping list next season.

Tough reality to swallow, but that's it.

This. It's a very real possibility we wipe the slate clean at QB next year and start over.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

It's hard for us Skins fans to face this one hard truth: we don't have a quarterback....Tough reality to swallow, but that's it.

It might be hard for some. And to be clear its not over yet, the whole fanbase is trying to hit that inside straight baby! But anyone who looks at the big picture should have been prepared for the distinct possibility that we don't have QB.

[MTK]

I know the mob doesn't want to hear it but you can't pull the plug on Griffin this early. Unless he can't play due to injury you have to give him a real shot and see how things play out into the season. This is the spot we're in... buckle up.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I know the mob doesn't want to hear it but you can't pull the plug on Griffin this early. Unless he can't play due to injury you have to give him a real shot and see how things play out into the season. This is the spot we're in... buckle up.

I halfway agree with this.I believe you can pull Griff,theres no open competition for the job and there needs to be.I agree with you that they will not pull the plug unless he's injured or his play and our record is so bad that they are finally convinced he's not going to turn it around.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I know the mob doesn't want to hear it but you can't pull the plug on Griffin this early. Unless he can't play due to injury you have to give him a real shot and see how things play out into the season. This is the spot we're in... buckle up.

I'm fine with this, but these are some of the issues in doing so.


1) How can you tell 50+ players they have to earn their starting spot and allow one guy to be given via silver platter? You'll lose the locker room and trust from players immediately.

2) How long do you allow him to start if no major signs of progression go on? This is another way you'll lose the locker room. Sacrificing the team to benefit the development of one guy.

3) His option year is guaranteed for injury. Do you allow him to play the 2nd half of the season knowing a major injury will put you on the hook for 16mil next year?


I agree with the principle of it, but I'm not sure how you can get the team to buy into it. Hell, they had problems buying into last year, which is a good reason why we were 4-12.

[Flyer97]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I'm fine with this, but these are some of the issues in doing so.


1) How can you tell 50+ players they have to earn their starting spot and allow one guy to be given via silver platter? You'll lose the locker room and trust from players immediately.

2) How long do you allow him to start if no major signs of progression go on? This is another way you'll lose the locker room. Sacrificing the team to benefit the development of one guy.

3) His option year is guaranteed for injury. Do you allow him to play the 2nd half of the season knowing a major injury will put you on the hook for 16mil next year?


I agree with the principle of it, but I'm not sure how you can get the team to buy into it. Hell, they had problems buying into last year, which is a good reason why we were 4-12.

Gruden is banking on him not being upright for long. Looking at the schedule, if Robert lasts past week 5-6 it will be a miracle.

[Hog1]

It's rough sledding, but I'm good with it............

[30gut]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

..IF YOU WERE THE HEAD COACH AND YOUR FUTURE WAS RIDING ON IT ..WHO WOULD YOU GO WITH AT QB??..lets here it ..

Good question.

I have to answer the question 2 different ways. One as HC Jay Gruden and another as Generic HC.

If I were Jay I would start Kirk Cousins or Colt McCoy. And I wouldn't have waited for this training camp. I would have made my intentions clear prior to this offseason. I believe right or wrong any organization needs to be of 1 accord, 1 vision. And to that end I would have spoken to Scott, Bruce and Dan and told them "Look, you hired because of the offense I ran in Cinci. I think Kirk/Colt and the weapons we have we can have a very good offense. I thought Robert could be a fit in the offense I intend to run but I was wrong*; with Robert I cannot run my offense. But we have a chance here to move forward and have a very successful offense with Kirk/Colt."

Now if I was the HC I would start Griffin. 100%. But I would have taken a completely different approach then Jay and this franchise took. We would not be running a West Coast Offense variant. We would be in year 2 of a spread zone read offense.

*I don't believe Jay every really gave it a chance but that is beside the point

[Defensewins]

After only 9 career NFL starts for KC, I am not ready to say either RG3 or start over with all new QB'S. Is that what you are saying? Frankly I have seen enough of RG3, he is not going to be a pro style offense QB. It is time to give a long look at KC worh the starters.

[That Guy]

the problem is that the OL vs the lions is probably close to what the OL will be vs the dolphiins (from a performance perspective). I'm pretty sure the org isn't going to pull him before game 4 barring injury, but i much rather we pull griffin for performance, since that'll give us 16mill more to work with next year.

maybe he still turns it around, but i haven't seen any improvement yet. he has on okay OL, and great rb/wrs. I'd like to see more production and less terrible decisions (like trying to scramble on 3rd and 16 near your own goal line).