Republican nominee for President

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

"ISIS is a JV team"........said laughing in the rose garden by the President while genocide was being committed/still being committed by the group in the middle east.

playing political ping pong - bush/cheney paved the groundwork for ISIS by fracturing Iraq/NE syria into rivaling regional sects and for fostering an angry base of people who ISIS were able to recruit by playing to their anger.

basically ISIS tactics = trump/cruz tactics.

They are both taking advantage of an angry demographic who want blood. I read a lot of political forums and the cruz/trump supporters slogan is "locked, loaded and ready".

Such a weird time btw the Tea Party, BLM and all these loud angry extremist groups.

[That Guy]

the ISIS thing is a result of a number of problems:

1) involving ourselves in a war under false pretenses (iraq was not a real threat to the US, and whatever threat it posed was less dangerous than the current situation).
2) assigning bremer to run things with 0 middle east experience and letting him make bad decisions like
3) telling the entire security and governing apparatus of the country they were not only fired but they would never have a part in running the new iraq (these were the guys that actually knew how to keep the lights on and fight people).

--now you've got 500,000 well trained, unemployed, angry iraqi veterans with nothing to do, a lot of which joined militias and caused problems until the surge where they were put back on the payroll, until they stopped getting paid, when they started causing problems again.

4) appointing an exiled sectarian guy as the head of the country, who immediately starts running kill squads and excluding sunni's from any kind of leadership role, regardless of qualifications.

5) the iraqis voted in a non sectarian head in 2010, but he was unable to form a majority governing coalition, and obama kind of bucked their constitutional process and left maliki in charge, who kept up with sectarian policies and drove the country right over the cliff.

sunni militias formed in response to the shia militias that are part of iraqi's security forces. they welcomed isis at the time, because they saw america as siding with the shia groups that were killing them.

3) was probably bush's biggest mistake, 5 was obama's. they both made terrible foreign policy decisions.


now we have a situation where we're trying to leverage the shia fundamentalists groups that have infiltrated the entire government security force against the sunni fundamentalists in ISIS. it doesn't matter who wins, we'll still have a country full of fundamentalists fully armed with US weapons. we're literally giving billions of dollars to iraqi's who are fighting under the direction of tehran right now. it makes no sense.

[Chico23231]

What a disaster for Rubio. What a flipping disaster. Who in their right mind would vote for trump.

Hog, did you vote today?

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

What a disaster for Rubio. What a flipping disaster. Who in their right mind would vote for trump.

Hog, did you vote today?

I did indeed...late from work, but in time. By the time I got there, I was like third in line.
Where the hell does Rubio go from here? Damn, don't carry your own state? Rough...

[JoeRedskin]

Rational conservative thought in America is dead.

... and, as a whole, we are worse off because of it.

[MTK]

Rubio was going nowhere for a while. Losing your own state says it all.

[kct1975]

Originally Posted by MTK

Rubio was going nowhere for a while. Losing your own state says it all.

Agreed!

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

Rubio was going nowhere for a while. Losing your own state says it all.

Fear and anger > optimism and rational

The voter...

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Fear and anger > optimism and rational

The voter...

Bernie - Everyone can have everything. Except the rich. We all hate rich people.

Clinton - I will make sure the government makes the right choices on how to run your life. Only stupid people would not want that. We all hate stupid people.

Trump - 'Murica! If they aren't one of us, we should hate them.



None of these messages appeal to me.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Bernie - Everyone can have everything. Except the rich. We all hate rich people.

Clinton - I will make sure the government makes the right choices on how to run your life. Only stupid people would not want that. We all hate stupid people.

Trump - 'Murica! If they aren't one of us, we should hate them.



None of these messages appeal to me.

Thankfully I don't see any of these options lasting more than one term, but the scary thing is how much more fucked up the country will be after said four years.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Bernie - Everyone can have everything. Except the rich. We all hate rich people.

Clinton - I will make sure the government makes the right choices on how to run your life. Only stupid people would not want that. We all hate stupid people.

Trump - 'Murica! If they aren't one of us, we should hate them.



None of these messages appeal to me.

it doesn't happen often, but you lol'd me.......out loud!

[mooby]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Bernie - Everyone can have everything. Except the rich. We all hate rich people.

Clinton - I will make sure the government makes the right choices on how to run your life. Only stupid people would not want that. We all hate stupid people.

Trump - 'Murica! If they aren't one of us, we should hate them.



None of these messages appeal to me.

Nice summary. I was heavy on the Bernie bandwagon for a little bit but I've backed off it recently. I still feel he's the best of the 3 but I'm not as enthusiastic about him as I was. Even if he does win though does anybody really think Congress will let him push through his plans? I feel this election takes away focus on the fact that the Prez and Congress basically cancel each other out on everything, how many major programs have passed with the approval of both Congress and the Prez in the last 8 years? Also I honestly can't believe in this day and age that Drumpf is the best that the repubs have to represent this country. He's the loudest voice in the room, yet he says nothing of substance.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mooby

Nice summary. I was heavy on the Bernie bandwagon for a little bit but I've backed off it recently. I still feel he's the best of the 3 but I'm not as enthusiastic about him as I was. Even if he does win though does anybody really think Congress will let him push through his plans? I feel this election takes away focus on the fact that the Prez and Congress basically cancel each other out on everything, how many major programs have passed with the approval of both Congress and the Prez in the last 8 years? Also I honestly can't believe in this day and age that Drumpf is the best that the repubs have to represent this country. He's the loudest voice in the room, yet he says nothing of substance.

This says it all. It really does not matter who becomes elected except for who i have to hear and see talk for at least four years. Please God do not let it be the loudmouth, silver spoon, moronic, racist, piece of shit.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

The country needs change politically, but not as extreme as Bernie and Trump. Personally, I'd be SO down with a status quo option for one more term. THEN, the country can maybe identify a few candidates who are just different enough they aren't divisive.

[Chico23231]

Hillary won the Presidency last night