Redskins v. Jets Gameday Thread

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

A friend IMed me this evening and asked me my thoughts on the rumor of Jay getting fired during the buy week and Bill C taking over.

Has anybody seen this rumor?

Been talked about since Callahan been hired.

Folks, this getting "out coached in the second half" thing didn't suddenly happen, it's been a symptom of the Jay gruden era since day one.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

A friend IMed me this evening and asked me my thoughts on the rumor of Jay getting fired during the buy week and Bill C taking over.

Has anybody seen this rumor?

Really not hard to believe at all. Bill Callahan has HC experience - the players seem to play to him, wouldn't be a bad move IMO....

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Really not hard to believe at all. Bill Callahan has HC experience - the players seem to play to him, wouldn't be a bad move IMO....

Callahan is one of those guys whose great at what he does good - get an OLine motivated and going, but not at being a HC.

From his Wiki

Despite the success of his 2002 team, the 2003 Raiders had a losing record. After his team got off to a 2–5 start, many of his players, in particular Charles Woodson, publicly criticized the coach, even suggesting that Callahan was deliberately trying to sabotage the season. According to Woodson, the Raider locker room was almost in a state of mutiny against Callahan, a claim corroborated by veteran receiver Tim Brown and others. Callahan, his supporters claim, had recognized that the team was aging and needed younger talent. To get it, he would have to cut existing salaries, an assertion that did not sit well with many of the team's veterans. It did not help that quarterback Rich Gannon was sidelined with injuries for much of the season. On Nov 30, after a 22–8 loss to the Denver Broncos, Callahan said the Raiders must have been "the dumbest team in America in terms of playing the game." After a lackluster 4–12 season, Callahan was fired...

Also, he basically builds OL's and leaves. He was asst HC /OL in NYJ from 2008 to 2011, OC/OL in Dallas from 2011-2014, and now OL coach for half a year, with an unfinished line.

A lot of people hate on DS, but all I see in this thread, and this board anymore is the same lack of patience he gets criticized for all the time.

Gruden had a very bad day yesterday, from the 3rd qtr debacle to his lack of answer for it in the press conference. But he has been a HC coach for 18 months. He came in and was tied to 3 mediocre qb's and was hamstrung by the owner even on that.

IF we are going to progress as an organization, SM needs to let this guy lead the team for a season, if he loses the players, than that's different. But the process of being a head coach in this league is something that takes some time.

I believe we've seen a better managed and run team. We had no penalties for 3 quarters. Time management at the halfs has gotten a bit better. I do think right now he lacks the "killer instinct" and I think that permeates through the team. And he's got to figure out why his halftime system leads to crappy third quarters/2nd halves.

[skinsfaninok]

I'd be fine wi Callahan

[NoCalHail]

I really am trying to give Kirk the benefit of the doubt. I know we are running a very vanilla offense right now with not a lot of star power at the skill positions.

However, something I have noticed that is probably more frustrating than the INTs, is just how often Kirk is unable to throw to targets in stride, whether it is a 3 yard pass, a 10 yard pass or a heave downfield. Now, I am watching the Pats/Colts right now, and a big number of Brady's passes are actually very similar distance to what Kirk is throwing. The main difference though is Brady is delivering these passes in stride. It is allowing the ball carriers to run, and keep running. They are turning short catches into long gains. And it's not like they have their defenders beat by 5 yards. A lot of these defenders are in decent position for coverage, but it's where the ball is delivered that is making all the difference.

I hear a portion of our fanbase repeat things like "if your fingers can touch the ball, you should be able to catch it" which sure, some of the times the WRs might be able to do better to bring a catch or two in, but you look at the routes they are running, and without those balls being delivered to the right spot, a completion is going to end up being a moot point anyway.

With that said. The question is, why is Cousins doing this so much? It can't be lack of understanding the offense, he often makes the correct read. It can't be that he is rushed, because the O-line is protecting pretty well more times than not. Is it lack of arm strength? Is it bad mechanics? I know people see a QB heave a ball downfield as proof they have good arm strength, but I would say the actual velocity on the ball is more important than how far you can chuck it.

Not to bring up the "other guy" because I am not looking to make this Cousins vs. "other guy" but I remember some of the throws that the other guy made look effortless. It wasn't necessarily the long passes, it was the crossing route patterns that he could deliver on a frozen rope, with zip on the ball to where the WR would run in stride and keep running. When I see Cousins throwing these routes, it is like you are holding your breath every single time that the DB doesn't have time to get a step right in front of the pass and take off the other way.

[skinsfaninok]

What is our points scored to given up in the 3rd quarter this yr?? It's gotta be like negative 50

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

What is our points scored to given up in the 3rd quarter this yr?? It's gotta be like negative 50

I believe I read 46-3

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I believe I read 46-3

Wow

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

What is our points scored to given up in the 3rd quarter this yr?? It's gotta be like negative 50

Bashaud Breeland up, Kirk Cousins down in Redskins' loss to Jets - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN

Skins been out scored 46-3 in the 3rd. Fuck Gruden

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Bashaud Breeland up, Kirk Cousins down in Redskins' loss to Jets - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN

Skins been out scored 46-3 in the 3rd. Fuck Gruden

But we are "improving every week" lol that dude is a joke

[punch it in]

Been outscored 103-51 in the second half. Thats an average of 8.5 points after halftime. If you take away the garbage time - teams playing prevent bologna - its really quite disparaging.
Leading at halftime in 5 of the 6 games.

[skinsfaninok]

That's on gruden and the non adjustments

[Bangee7]

I've been a big supporter of Jay, but even I realize we are being out coached in the 2nd half of games.

I fully expected JG to have growing pains last year...afterall, it's a big step from coordinator to be the man in charge of everything...every practice, every break, every big call, etc.

No doubt his head was swimming last year.

But, he had a full off season to REFLECT & REACT....the results thus far are not showing much improvement.

I would have thought with Callahan on board that he'd be a strong influence, but truthfully, none of us are seeing it.

c'mon Jay, we're running out of games...hold yourself as accountable as you do everyone else & start stepping it up.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Bangee7

I've been a big supporter of Jay, but even I realize we are being out coached in the 2nd half of games.

I fully expected JG to have growing pains last year...afterall, it's a big step from coordinator to be the man in charge of everything...every practice, every break, every big call, etc.

No doubt his head was swimming last year.

But, he had a full off season to REFLECT & REACT....the results thus far are not showing much improvement.

I would have thought with Callahan on board that he'd be a strong influence, but truthfully, none of us are seeing it.

c'mon Jay, we're running out of games...hold yourself as accountable as you do everyone else & start stepping it up.

The jury is still out for me on Gruden but I think its difficult to judge anything with all the injuries this team has. I know all teams have injuries but this team has no depth and now that the injuries are piling up the lack of depth really shows.

Cousins definitely needs to improve his accuracy but without a run game he's playing with 1 are tied behind his back. The O line just cant seem to open any holes for the RBs but again that's an injury thing.

I think it would be a huge mistake to panic now and start chasing the next best thing when the sample size on this thing is still so small. The first half showed some real signs of progress that teams from a few years ago never would have done. This team has been being broken for a long long time and its not going to be fixed in 1 or 2 seasons.

[calia]

Agreed. And he always saved something for the second half that was a surprise.


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