The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think what people here are saying is a sign and trade is a possibility. Is it a slim one? I'd say yes, slim to very slim. But it is possible so therefore it's up for discussion.

But I personally think Cousins has a lot of competition and that may drive down his value. He's got 4 guys that may go the Jets, Browns, Giants and Broncos with those first few picks of the 1st. That's more of a possibility, plus there's free agent competition. All those FA guys are going to come cheaper than Cousins.

OK I can get on board with this clarification. I would call it very very very very slim. Like not at all likely. Like, don't get your hopes up in any meaningful way, that kind of likely.

But if you want to talk about it for shits and giggles then fine. I'm more interested in thinking through the realities, personally.

As for your comment on his competition, I agree. The availability of Bradford and Bridgewater, not to mention possibilities of Alex Smith, definitely muddies things for Cousins. But ultimately, Cousins is the cream of the crop so I think someone is likely to lock onto him with a high dollar offer. We're starting to see believable rumblings coming from the top beat reporter covering the Broncos that they're all in on him, even going so far as to describe how they'd clear the space (Talib) to make it happen.

I think the availability of Bradford, Bridgewater and others is plenty of reason for us to make a strong but reasonable offer and let the chips fall where they may. I don't think I'd personally support signing Cousins to a $27M per year deal when Teddy BDG might be had for $8M less.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

OK I can get on board with this clarification. I would call it very very very very slim. Like not at all likely. Like, don't get your hopes up in any meaningful way, that kind of likely.

But if you want to talk about it for shits and giggles then fine. I'm more interested in thinking through the realities, personally.

As for your comment on his competition, I agree. The availability of Bradford and Bridgewater, not to mention possibilities of Alex Smith, definitely muddies things for Cousins. But ultimately, Cousins is the cream of the crop so I think someone is likely to lock onto him with a high dollar offer. We're starting to see believable rumblings coming from the top beat reporter covering the Broncos that they're all in on him, even going so far as to describe how they'd clear the space (Talib) to make it happen.

I think the availability of Bradford, Bridgewater and others is plenty of reason for us to make a strong but reasonable offer and let the chips fall where they may. I don't think I'd personally support signing Cousins to a $27M per year deal when Teddy BDG might be had for $8M less.

From 13:50 to 24:30, Cooley breaks down film on Teddy BDG

http://cdn.stationcaster.com/station...1517327971.mp3

He doesn't like him a lot. Good legs, accurate on short and medium balls, but inaccurate on deep balls, bad pocket passer, bad eyes, tends to escape the pocket too quickly when his first read isn't available, doesn't read nor react to pressure efficiently.
Cooley sees him as a 2 to 3 years project at best, not a year 1 legitimate starter.

But, he only played one full season and as you said he'd be pretty cheap, so I still doesn't hate the idea.

Him or Alex Smith and a 4-5th round QB pick behind is fine by me.
Smith would be more expensive but I think he's a bit underrated.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

From 13:50 to 24:30, Cooley breaks down film on Teddy BDG

http://cdn.stationcaster.com/station...1517327971.mp3

He doesn't like him a lot. Good legs, accurate on short and medium balls, but inaccurate on deep balls, bad pocket passer, bad eyes, tends to escape the pocket too quickly when his first read isn't available, doesn't read nor react to pressure efficiently.
Cooley sees him as a 2 to 3 years project at best, not a year 1 legitimate starter.

But, he only played one full season and as you said he'd be pretty cheap, so I still doesn't hate the idea.

Him or Alex Smith and a 4-5th round QB pick behind is fine by me.
Smith would be more expensive but I think he's a bit underrated.

I honestly believe no matter the free agent, the team that signs him also drafts a QB.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

From 13:50 to 24:30, Cooley breaks down film on Teddy BDG

http://cdn.stationcaster.com/station...1517327971.mp3

He doesn't like him a lot. Good legs, accurate on short and medium balls, but inaccurate on deep balls, bad pocket passer, bad eyes, tends to escape the pocket too quickly when his first read isn't available, doesn't read nor react to pressure efficiently.
Cooley sees him as a 2 to 3 years project at best, not a year 1 legitimate starter.

But, he only played one full season and as you said he'd be pretty cheap, so I still doesn't hate the idea.

Him or Alex Smith and a 4-5th round QB pick behind is fine by me.
Smith would be more expensive but I think he's a bit underrated.

Yeah I'm not necessarily sold on Teddy, I just like saying Teddy BDG.

I'd be worried about how he bounces back from the knee.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yeah I'm not necessarily sold on Teddy, I just like saying Teddy BDG.

I'd be worried about how he bounces back from the knee.

I'd sure be more excited with him at a cheap price and a lot of cap space to build around him (and the defense) than with Colt McCoy (at any price) or Cousins tagged at 34M...
And from what I understand there is no plug and play QB prospect in this year draft. At least not where we pick and I don't want us breaking the bank on a toss up again.

So BDG, Bradford, Smith and a late pick is fine. But the cheaper the QB, the more space to build the team...

It's strange, I want Cousins here, but if he leaves, I don't us to spend too much on an average FA. Just pick an ok starter and build the team.

[KI Skins Fan]

Schneed,

You had the right idea in a post a couple of weeks ago. You said the Skins should make him a solid offer now based on how much they can afford and a structure they can live with that would not adversely affect their ability to continue to build a contender. With that, you stated would come deadline for a deal to get done. I think that is the way to go at this point. There would be no offer of any form of tag.

I think that a solid deal on the table with a deadline might give the Redskins some leverage, although only Kirk and his agent could determine how much. In any event, it might get substantive talks started. If not, we'll know that Kirk doesn't want to be here.

Regardless of what happens once the offer is made and the deadline is established, the Skins can move forward with the urgent business of team building once Kirk signs or the deadline expires. The deadline must be firm for this strategy to work.

From my personal point of view, this strategy works whether or not Kirk signs a LTD because the Skins will now be able to proceed with either Plan A or Plan B. I don't much care which way it goes. With Plan A, we have our QB. With Plan B, we save up to $34M in cap space and we get a 3rd round compensatory pick. I'm good either way.

p.s. I see that you reposted your position while I was typing this post. Good.

[Schneed10]

By the way I almost hope we let Cousins walk and sign Bridgewater because then I'll just go around saying

[mredskins]

Its just funny how to me Chip Kelley destroyed the Eagles and some how they are in the SB a few years later. Yet we keep just spinning like a top in average and below average range. Frustrating.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Its just funny how to me Chip Kelley destroyed the Eagles and some how they are in the SB a few years later. Yet we keep just spinning like a top in average and below average range. Frustrating.

* somehow aka hired a new coach and drafted a stud QB

The Eagles make the case for change, not for continuity.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

* somehow aka hired a new coach and drafted a stud QB

The Eagles make the case for change, not for continuity.

They struck gold with that duo, it happens look at LAR Goff is now a stud. Jay/Kirk has been really good too, the difference is the Eagles actually have a defense that they can rely on to get that QB the ball back.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

They struck gold with that duo, it happens look at LAR Goff is now a stud. Jay/Kirk has been really good too, the difference is the Eagles actually have a defense that they can rely on to get that QB the ball back.

That's true about the defense, but saying Jay/Kirk is as good as Doug/Carson is a false equivalency. Wentz threw 33 TDs in 13 games because he extends and makes plays Kirk can't.

But I get it. That's the case for continuity - if only we could develop a defense to pair with our strong offense.

That's exactly why you can't put a tag on Cousins and have him take up $34M of space during that first week of free agency. We need to acquire a piece or two to help with that defensive build.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

That's true about the defense, but saying Jay/Kirk is as good as Doug/Carson is a false equivalency. Wentz threw 33 TDs in 13 games because he extends and makes plays Kirk can't.

But I get it. That's the case for continuity - if only we could develop a defense to pair with our strong offense.

That's exactly why you can't put a tag on Cousins and have him take up $34M of space during that first week of free agency. We need to acquire a piece or two to help with that defensive build.

Yep which is why we as fans get so tired of the BS, finally have a QB that can put up top 10 results and he's about to walk out the door. So now what? We start from scratch again and HOPE we get lucky with the QB/HC combo again, or... we will go back to JZ/JC and be 6-10 for the next 4 years

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Its just funny how to me Chip Kelley destroyed the Eagles and some how they are in the SB a few years later. Yet we keep just spinning like a top in average and below average range. Frustrating.

"they are set back years" Yeah that's why there is no more FUTURE in the NFL, It's a win now league and teams you dont think can win can (browns dont count). That is why the NFL Playoffs are so different every yr.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Its just funny how to me Chip Kelley destroyed the Eagles and some how they are in the SB a few years later. Yet we keep just spinning like a top in average and below average range. Frustrating.

Their GM deserves a lot of credit...he was very aggressive in moves with multiple trades with Miami, Buffalo and Baltimore. And that doesn't mention the Wentz move.

We've been so snake bitten by prior trades that even the suggestion will bring criticism...but if you actually had competence in the front office it can be a different story.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Their GM deserves a lot of credit...he was very aggressive in moves with multiple trades with Miami, Buffalo and Baltimore. And that doesn't mention the Wentz move.

We've been so snake bitten by prior trades that even the suggestion will bring criticism...but if you actually had competence in the front office it can be a different story.

Yeah every move that Roseman made has worked out. It's frustrating to see theirs all pan out and ours all blow up in our face.

That said, the Eagles have a bit of a mortgaged future, when you really look at it. This year they have a 1st rounder, 2 4ths, 2 5ths, and a 6th. That's it. Only 6 picks, and only one in the first 3 rounds. So their ability to draft players to replace some aging vets or guys that leave in free agency is diminished.

So I'm hoping that as Jason Peters and Jason Kelce age they'll struggle to replace them cheaply. They'll hopefully find themselves needing to get a center and a tackle in free agency, thus really putting them in a cap bind once Wentz reaches the point where he needs to be resigned. And his contract will blow the doors off.

We just have to keep them from winning the SB over the next three years, somehow someway, and then I think they'll find themselves in the same position as the Seahawks are right now. Still in good shape because of the QB, but life is still a struggle at other positions.