Coronavirus (sports edition) thread

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Hey, I asked to lock this thread and leave COVID to the Parking Lot and Politics threads. Personally, the sports side of this is the only thing that should be discussed in this one, and to that end, whether the 20% of the Pro Football players that don't want to get vaccinated do or do not get the jab, it isn't going to impact the global mutation of the virus.

The NFL policies are fairly random, punitive and not really meant to affect global mutation rate.

Fairly random because why should vaccination affect testing. Simply put, that is an incentive that actually can lead to a higher spread within an infected facility.

Yeah, I feel bad for starting this. Meant for this to be a place where we can discuss covid and its' impact on sports, the NFL specifically.

I apologize to everyone, this has gone off the rails. I only speak for myself when I say I don't know jack about science or the vaccine, only that I trust the people who have chosen careers in that field to help save lives.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

Yeah, I feel bad for starting this. Meant for this to be a place where we can discuss covid and its' impact on sports, the NFL specifically.

I apologize to everyone, this has gone off the rails. I only speak for myself when I say I don't know jack about science or the vaccine, only that I trust the people who have chosen careers in that field to help save lives.

I've said this many times: In a sport where players make public health decisions on a daily basis, it is somewhat odd to hear this "personal choice" argument when it comes to the vaccine. I'm sure if Landon Collins went public and said that he's not seeking treatment for his torn ACL due to personal choice, fans would be up in arms about it.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mooby

Yeah, I feel bad for starting this. Meant for this to be a place where we can discuss covid and its' impact on sports, the NFL specifically.

I apologize to everyone, this has gone off the rails. I only speak for myself when I say I don't know jack about science or the vaccine, only that I trust the people who have chosen careers in that field to help save lives.

I thought it was a healthy slightly edgy conversation. Lol.
I don’t know shit either, I just regurgitate what those people you speak of tell me.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Hey, I asked to lock this thread and leave COVID to the Parking Lot and Politics threads. Personally, the sports side of this is the only thing that should be discussed in this one, and to that end, whether the 20% of the Pro Football players that don't want to get vaccinated do or do not get the jab, it isn't going to impact the global mutation of the virus.

The NFL policies are fairly random, punitive and not really meant to affect global mutation rate.

Fairly random because why should vaccination affect testing. Simply put, that is an incentive that actually can lead to a higher spread within an infected facility.

Funny you say this. My employer recently enacted a similar policy. Proof of vaccine or daily testing. I have no problem showing proof of vaccination but if you are going to allow me to have daily testing so I know whether or not I am bringing home the virus to a family member that lives with us but is not eligible for vaccine then I am going that route, but it is just as random as the NFL policy.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Is there anyone else on this board that cares to explain how and why widespread vaccination can stop mutations and new strains ? My head hurts.

Widespread vaccination and mask use reduces the rate of infection. The more infections, the higher the chance the virus mutates, and variants develop. So reducing infection is essential to reduce the chance of variants. Pretty simple concept actually.

Problem is that we‘re not alone in the world. So high infection rates anywhere encourage variant development. And a new variant can spread quickly as we‘ve seen with delta.

One more thing. The “original” virus (alpha) is not likely to be hosted (carried) by vaccinated people, so they were not likely to spread the virus. Not so for Delta. It has a potentially high viral load even among the vaccinated, therefore masking and distancing is again recommended even for fully vaccinated to help limit the spread.

Sorry about the length of my post, but the short first paragraph answered your question.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

Widespread vaccination and mask use reduces the rate of infection. The more infections, the higher the chance the virus mutates, and variants develop. So reducing infection is essential to reduce the chance of variants. Pretty simple concept actually.

Problem is that we‘re not alone in the world. So high infection rates anywhere encourage variant development. And a new variant can spread quickly as we‘ve seen with delta.

One more thing. The “original” virus (alpha) is not likely to be hosted (carried) by vaccinated people, so they were not likely to spread the virus. Not so for Delta. It has a potentially high viral load even among the vaccinated, therefore masking and distancing is again recommended even for fully vaccinated to help limit the spread.

Sorry about the length of my post, but the short first paragraph answered your question.

The rest of the world is definitely an issue. Also Joe Namath should not be in the hall of fame. Just wanted to add some sports to my coronavirus comment.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by punch it in

The rest of the world is definitely an issue. Also Joe Namath should not be in the hall of fame. Just wanted to add some sports to my coronavirus comment.

We have plenty of vaccine and only 50% vaccinated. We need to look at ourselves before blaming the rest of the world.

And to add sports content, Joe Namath should absolutely be in the Hall of Fame. I watched that game live and he delivered the impossible. Nobody, and I mean nobody except maybe him thought they had a chance,,,

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

We have plenty of vaccine and only 50% vaccinated. We need to look at ourselves before blaming the rest of the world.

And to add sports content, Joe Namath should absolutely be in the Hall of Fame. I watched that game live and he delivered the impossible. Nobody, and I mean nobody except maybe him thought they had a chance,,,

Not blaming the rest if the world. Lol. Was just agreeing with you about the spread in the rest of the world being a problem….

Sports…one game does not a hof career make. Dude never had a single season where he threw more td’s than int’s. He is definitely the only quarterback in the hof with that on his resume.
I lied two different years out of 15 i think he had two more td’s than int’s. Overall 173 td’s, 220 int’s. That is rough.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by punch it in

The rest of the world is definitely an issue. Also Joe Namath should not be in the hall of fame. Just wanted to add some sports to my coronavirus comment.

Agreed. The Joe Namath argument is about to become the Eli Manning argument. In Joe's case, it's an underwhelming career defined by achieving the impossible, for Eli it's the same but he achieved the impossible twice. Eli will get in because of his last name and his two career highlights (to his credit they were both incredible that will stand the test of time).

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mooby

Agreed. The Joe Namath argument is about to become the Eli Manning argument. In Joe's case, it's an underwhelming career defined by achieving the impossible, for Eli it's the same but he achieved the impossible twice. Eli will get in because of his last name and his two career highlights (to his credit they were both incredible that will stand the test of time).

Eli Eli Eli. That damn pouting face might be his demise. I would not put him in if I had a vote and it has nothing to do with my hatred for the Vagiants. When he had bad teams around him the record always reflected that. It isn’t like he was winning 10-12 games every year because he was awesome- like his brother. Or Rodgers. Or Breese. Or Brady. Those guys were/are worth 10 wins by themselves. Eli is worth a few. They should make one bust for him and namath. They both get half in.
Coronavirus comment- what is the vaccination rate for the Redwolves (lol) currently??? Last time I saw i think it was around 75?

[Chief X_Phackter]

I'm just going to end this discussion right here because it's getting old, and I honestly think that maybe we are missing each other's points in a lot of ways. You can keep going if you want.

My original MAIN point with all of this goes along the lines of the old saying: "You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar."

All this badgering people, shaming, belittling, etc. for not getting the vaccine is not productive. It's your way, and it's the method obviously used by others on this forum and elsewhere. But it isn't helpful. Instead, maybe you should try a little encouragement if you want to get your point across, or motivate people to get the vaccine.

"An effective science defender will listen to a person’s reasons for not masking or vaccinating and share counterevidence without questioning their competence, good will or intelligence." - Scientific American

I was vaccine hesitant at first, but I am now vaccinated - have been since April. My wife is vaccinated. My one eligible kid is vaccinated. My other kid will be eligible in a few months, and she will also be vaccinated. Why, because while I understand there are potential risks, the benefits (according to the available science) seem to outweigh the risks. I educated myself and made a decision because it seemed like the best option. I didn't make the decision because someone pressured me to, or told me I was "dumb".

[punch it in]

Would have guessed you were vaccinated. Don’t remember calling u dumb. Just misinformed. This was a simple argument about whether or not widespread vaccination could stop mutations and new strains.

It started for me when you said “get vaccinated if you want”. I thought that sounded a little counter productive or lazy in ways. When it comes to life or death use all means necessary to get shots in arms. Even if thst means using fear tactics or name calling. Its just a better alternative to the damn way of life this virus has Created. My own wife was hesitant. I understand it. I felt guinea piggish before my appointment. But i guess at the end of the day id rather have two heads than die. My daughter is 14 and was getting most of her information or misinformation from tik tok and shit like that. She got her first dose last week and im happy about that since school starts in a month. She will have received her second dose by than. Have a nice day Chief.

[MTK]

Can't get to herd immunity if we have two herds.

Not sure who I heard that from recently, it's a simple but effective description of what we're facing.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by MTK

Can't get to herd immunity if we have two herds.

Not sure who I heard that from recently, it's a simple but effective description of what we're facing.

Luckily the herd that is getting shots is the bigger herd. Also hoping the delta is freaking people out enough to grow the vaccinated herd even more. I think it is, and I think we will get there. But ill be damned if we aren’t doing it the hard way.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Luckily the herd that is getting shots is the bigger herd. Also hoping the delta is freaking people out enough to grow the vaccinated herd even more. I think it is, and I think we will get there. But ill be damned if we aren’t doing it the hard way.

Most of the rest (excluding those who have legitimate medical reasons not to be vaccinated) will come slowly - as their unvaccinated loved ones die in hospitals while whispering out "my dying wish is for my kids to get vaccinated"