Obama Care

[saden1]

Medicare has problems but they don't tell seniors we're not going to cover you at all. It's real simple, private companies don't want to cover people over 55. Being old is a pre-existing condition.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by dmek25

check your history. the GOP was also against medicare. that runs fine. what about the post office? i can mail a letter from Pa., and have in Cal. 3 days later for .50. sounds like a pretty good deal to me. does SS still pay out? last time i checked, it still works. what Gov't programs don't work? other then the no child left behind?

Make that statement to.....any doctor. You'll be lucky to come away with your teeth

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

check your history. the GOP was also against medicare. that runs fine. what about the post office? i can mail a letter from Pa., and have in Cal. 3 days later for .50. sounds like a pretty good deal to me. does SS still pay out? last time i checked, it still works. what Gov't programs don't work? other then the no child left behind?

The PO is loosing billions of dollars. You don't understand saving for retirement if you actually think SS works. If you really think these programs are working then there is no hope for you. I hope you don't run a business.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by dmek25

check your history. the GOP was also against medicare. that runs fine. what about the post office? i can mail a letter from Pa., and have in Cal. 3 days later for .50. sounds like a pretty good deal to me. does SS still pay out? last time i checked, it still works. what Gov't programs don't work? other then the no child left behind?

It seems like a wonderful deal until you learn that the USPS lost $2.8billion last year.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by firstdown

How can people look at all the failing goverment programs and think that the most complicated one passed will some how get it right. Heck, all they had to do with SS was to cllect the money put it away and when you reach 65 then start paying it back and they Fucked that up to the tune that its going broke. The only good that will come from this bill is that all the libs will have to also live with this poor bill passed by a President that when history looks back will be worse then Bush 2.

he has a long way to go before he catches up with that 8 year train wreck

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by dmek25

step one passes. on the way to better care for all

Better care for all?? Lol.

[dmek25]

cant reach across party lines if everyone says the other side is full of crap. its all about extending ones political career. not for doing the right thing for the people

[Skins fan 44]

Just like the energy policy we will be paying more. How is this good for America?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

cant reach across party lines if everyone says the other side is full of crap. its all about extending ones political career. not for doing the right thing for the people

Ummm, if you look at any poll most Americans are against goverment run Health Care. I'm guess if passed this bill will coat me about $1 per page per year in either new taxes or inceased HC cost. I'll also bet that before it ever goes into effect the cost projections will increase to almost double. I sad part is none of these guys have even read to over 2000 pages in this bill and if they say they did I say they lie.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Ummm, if you look at any poll most Americans are against goverment run Health Care. I'm guess if passed this bill will coat me about $1 per page per year in either new taxes or inceased HC cost. I'll also bet that before it ever goes into effect the cost projections will increase to almost double. I sad part is none of these guys have even read to over 2000 pages in this bill and if they say they did I say they lie.

Care to site those polls?

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Ummm, are against govermeif you look at any poll most Americans nt run Health Care. I'm guess if passed this bill will coat me about $1 per page per year in either new taxes or inceased HC cost. I'll also bet that before it ever goes into effect the cost projections will increase to almost double. I sad part is none of these guys have even read to over 2000 pages in this bill and if they say they did I say they lie.

all the people i know are for this. any links?( other then one from fox)

[JoeRedskin]

Pretty simple: The house bill = Increased cost in taxes & premiums for all, decreased quality of care for the vast vast majority to increase care for some.

Does nothing to address the heart of the issue - the natural anti-market forces (see Schneed's earlier posts on duplication of services) created by the health care market; medical malpractice costs driven by a small minority of bad physicians and refusal of physicians to punish other physicians; the regulatory costs of pharmaceutical R&D as opposed to production; and physician shortages.

It will take a few years for the full effects of this to be felt - Probably sometime around the mid 2010's, and it will be the next president that will have to deal with ungodly mess. As to costs, my guess is that premiums will increase by at least 50% over the next 5-6 years, medicare taxes to be doubled, and the floor on the wealth surcharge will be substantially lowered. As to quality of care, longer waiting times for care and decreased quality of service (can't make an appt. on time, TS - "we're to busy, you will have to reschedule for six weeks from now", etc.). All the problems that exist now in healthcare provision but greatly expanded - but, yes, a small minority will get healthcare that need it but do not have it now.

Essentially, Obama care takes the existing system - with all its market inefficiencies - xpands it and, in turn, expands the inefficiencies. Rather than addressing and reforming the root causes of ever expanding healthcare costs as part of plan to create a comprehensive healthcare coverage, Obama care simply creates a mandatory expansion of the existing flawed system by adding a government insurer to expensively operate as an insurer of last resort.

Bad legislation created by hyperbole and scare tactics (on both sides of the aisle) that wasted an opportunity for real healthcare reform. Horrible leadership all the way around.

[12thMan]

Hey I wonder if drinking will now be a pre-existing condition?

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Hey I wonder if drinking will now be a pre-existing condition?

If it is, you're screwed.

[dmek25]

Overall, given what you know about them, do you support or oppose the proposed changes
to the health care system being developed by Congress and the Obama Administration?
51% Favor, 49% Oppose (chart)

Do you favor or oppose having a "public option" which would allow individuals to purchase
health insurance coverage from the government?
45% Favor, 31% Oppose
taken from pollster.com