Redskins vs Ravens Gameday thread

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by ethat001

Wow. I didn't even get a chance to watch it -- and I'm thoroughly disappointed. (I watched Wheel of Fortune instead.. ugh)

Sure. this is preseason and we're getting everything together. BUT -- this is preseason for the Ravens as well. And they kicked our ass. To be shut out and allow over 500 yards means we sucked from starters right down to the scrubs. Their depth is clearly much better than ours.

I'm worried about the defensive effort, but somehow I think we'll work it out. Put Haynesworth and Rogers in there, maybe things get a little better. I sure hope so.

What I'm NOT hopeful about is our offense. Getting excited about Kelly and 25 yards is hard to swallow. The O-line is good news, but I'm not as concerned about how good they are -- more about whether they'll stay healthy. Good to hear about BMW, Rhineheart, and backup center who I hear did okay.

After all this -- what can we do to make the offense better? Is it just that Zorn sucks at play-calling? Is it JC? Sure it's preseason - but our offense has sucked for years and looks about the same (if not worse). I think this is clearly a bad sign.

We were without Rogers, Haynesworth, and Phillip Daniels(He maybe played 10 snaps). Their #1 draft pick just destroyed Renaldo Wynn off the line most of the night. Does anyone think that Wynn is even going to make the team with the depth we have on the D-Line?

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

We were without Rogers, Haynesworth, and Phillip Daniels(He maybe played 10 snaps). Their #1 draft pick just destroyed Renaldo Wynn off the line most of the night. Does anyone think that Wynn is even going to make the team with the depth we have on the D-Line?

We where also without Randy Thomas and CP. However, CR did step up and play well at RG.

RW looked bad, I do not see him making the team. But stranger things have happened.

[Pocket$ $traight]

So Ladell Bettis is the problem now?

[Dirtbag59]

So Jermoe and Laddal probably have to disucuss a seetlement.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

So Ladell Bettis is the problem now?

I have a problem with Ladell. He isn't very good. IMO of course.

[Meks]

campbell needs more snaps, brady and mcnabb both got more than he did.... and they both took a few shots down the field... 1st preseason game or not, play calling bothered me again from highlights and what im hearing... i was at the eagles game, thier offense looked alot better than ours. w/out westbrook

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Meks

campbell needs more snaps, brady and mcnabb both got more than he did.... and they both took a few shots down the field... 1st preseason game or not, play calling bothered me again from highlights and what im hearing... i was at the eagles game, thier offense looked alot better than ours. w/out westbrook

I couldn't agree w/ you more. Brady and McNabb were in there well into the 2nd q and their offenses were waaaaaaaaay better than ours last year.

[an23dy]

Not to be even more a downer, but even the QB pressure we got wasn't that special. The starting LT and G for the Ravens were both out. The Ravens O-line isn't all that special to begin with anyway. Last year they had Willie Anderson, who was like 40, starting last year.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Someone needs to help me out with this. What did Betts do to get the backlash tonight? He didn't drop two first down passes like Hagans.

Did you expect a touchdown on those plays where 2 Ravens are in the backfield when he gets the handoff?

At least I can put to bed the he is better than Portis argument.... I remember several heated exchanges over that one.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Someone needs to help me out with this. What did Betts do to get the backlash tonight? He didn't drop two first down passes like Hagans.

Did you expect a touchdown on those plays where 2 Ravens are in the backfield when he gets the handoff?

At least I can put to bed the he is better than Portis argument.... I remember several heated exchanges over that one.

Some people just have it out for him. Just tune it out, no sense in trying to make sense of it.

[SBXVII]

Ok, I can't do it. I was going to come on here and do something profound like write one word..."WOW", or "Interesting", or "Disappointing." Then I made the mistake and read half your posts from around page 22 to the last. I don't like Betts, never have, all he's good for is KR/PR and we keep him fresh to fill in for Portis. But it struck me as odd that the Betts lovers have not chimed in on his behalf?

Most importantly though I feel I have to be a cheerleader here. Even JC was interviewed and he said their play tonight was no big deal. Zorn kept the Offense very vinella so to speak so as to not give away any of our plays. Zorn did not put in any long balls according to JC cause he simply wanted JC and the rest of the offense to get into a rythem. JC did not appear to be concerned about tonight.

I'm sure Zorn called plays specifically to see how certain players handled themselves as well as Blache. I can not believe this team is this bad. There was no game planning, no stratege. Zorn walked into this game with 5-10 yrd plays to see many things I'm sure. How the offense would respond to protection. To see JC's speed of getting rid of the ball. To see the young WR's and possibly the RB's. I think Blache was simply trying out different packages of players together. Just to see who worked well together. I think he wanted to see what he had in a D-line and Orakpo and Jarmin.

It took me 3 1/2 quarters to finally decide to change the channel because for whatever reason I was glued to the disaster on my TV, but finally woke up and realized it was the first preseason game. Players have to learn to gel with each other. Rookies have to get rid of the jitters. and Zorn is not going to show his hand like Gibbs never did. Most of preseason was for the O-line to get their blocking down and D-line to learn where to rush and when. Having said all that....

"WOW" LOL :O

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Most importantly though I feel I have to be a cheerleader here. Even JC was interviewed and he said their play tonight was no big deal. Zorn kept the Offense very vinella so to speak so as to not give away any of our plays. Zorn did not put in any long balls according to JC cause he simply wanted JC and the rest of the offense to get into a rythem. JC did not appear to be concerned about tonight.

Did Zorn also keep our offensive line protection vanilla just because it was preseason?

I understand that it is a preseason game and record-wise it doesn't matter but what DOES matter is the performance we delivered in that meaningless game.

No overall improvements were made to our O-Line and everyone expects Campbell to do the leg work in moving the ball. There has to be realistic expectations on our offense as a whole and it comes down to one fundamental:


"If you have no line, you have no time."


My opinion is that our personnel has been severely mismanaged. There wasn't any considerably major reinforcements made to our most vulnerable position on the offensive line.


...And to those about to hit quote on my post and reply with a witty "The sky is falling".

How many more 8-8 seasons do you have to see before you realize that the sky HAS already fallen?

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Did Zorn also keep our offensive line protection vanilla just because it was preseason?

I understand that it is a preseason game and record-wise it doesn't matter but what DOES matter is the performance we delivered in that meaningless game.

No overall improvements were made to our O-Line and everyone expects Campbell to do the leg work in moving the ball. There has to be realistic expectations on our offense as a whole and it comes down to one fundamental:


"If you have no line, you have no time."


My opinion is that our personnel has been severely mismanaged. There wasn't any considerably major reinforcements made to our most vulnerable position on the offensive line.


...And to those about to hit quote on my post and reply with a witty "The sky is falling".

How many more 8-8 seasons do you have to see before you realize that the sky HAS already fallen?

Good point there, you have.. I can say I'm almost on your side, it's hard not to.. But once again, it seem as if every person within Redskins believe they are fine with the players we have on the list.. They have more insights than we do.. I guess I can say I would have to wait until half of season to find out.. Or ending of the season going in playoffs? We don't know how serious Thomas's situation is, yes he isn't playing much but they might hold him for a while to let him heal 100%? Let's wait until the 1st game to see the results.. If it's still same as old sh*t, then I'm on your side; count on it, man..

The FO believes Heyer can fill in the spot; after all, some of us complained that we are not developing players like some other teams (Pats, Giants, and Steelers).. Even I believe in Heyer too, he needs experience to grow.. Give it a shot.. Rinehart is ahead of Bridges for RG, and Bridges is much better than Wade.. Maybe, he will get better by 1st game, enough to take over the #1 spot when Thomas feels better or whatever?

We did sign Bridges, to give the FO some credit.. And for Mike Williams, he did move well, especially for the big boy who haven't played since 2006.. I'm not saying that he's good player, but just that he's getting his groove back.. It takes time.. If he keeps it up and continue to get in shape, it could pay off nicely..

If they are right, we all owe it to Bugel - he's the man..

[beemnsevenspop]

It took me 3 1/2 quarters to finally decide to change the channel because for whatever reason I was glued to the disaster on my TV, but finally woke up and realized it was the first preseason game. Players have to learn to gel with each other. Rookies have to get rid of the jitters. and Zorn is not going to show his hand like Gibbs never did. Most of preseason was for the O-line to get their blocking down and D-line to learn where to rush and when. Having said all that....

"WOW" LOL :O[/QUOTE]

You lasted 3 1/2 quarters? My, you ARE a glutton for punishment! I was outta there before the end of the first half. Your comments with respect to what preseason is all about are on point; however, you probably also realize that that applies to BOTH teams. Unfortunately, only one had the drive and desire to come out and play football, while the other merely showed up and went through the motions (pathetically, I might add.)

It would have been more fitting for the 'skins players to have emerged from their locker room last night sporting red rubber noses and huge shoes, stuffed into a number of tiny cars spinning wildly in small circles, with the Redskins band playing that Ringling Brothers favorite, "Enter The Gladiators".

(Heavy Sigh) Only one game under our belts, and already, this year looks just like [the second half] of last year; brace yerselves ladies and germs, methinks it's going to be a loooooong season....

[wilsowilso]

Damn that Glengarry Glen Ross scene is so crazy well written!

Also if Jason Campbell doesn't stop using the word rhythm so much this year I will possibly freak out. "Just have to get in a rhythm, couldn't get in a rhythm, in college it was all about the rhythm, we stayed vanilla because we had to stay in rhythm the gameplan was established for rhythm.........the goal is to get us in a rhythm and ahhhhhhhhhhh I have no rhythm" stop saying that word please say something else!