Haynesworth is Behaving Selfishly

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Both parties involved flat out deny this to be the case. I think there's legitimate reason to believe that Haynesworth would rather play the 4-3 because he's comfortable with it, but there's no evidence to suggest that he's so much as disgruntled with a switch to the 3-4.

I also don't think there's any reason to think he's feeling either deceived or disgruntled. The only person to actually use the word "deceived" was La Canfora. He's trying to summarize the mood of the situation in a word, of course, but I'm not even really sure he has any more access to the situation than I do at this point (which would be: none). His "sources" have yet to be correct.

I think he's been quoted as suggesting that perhaps his talents would be wasted eating up blockers, but there's no reason to necessarily think that the 1st team NT for the Redskins (even if it's Haynesworth) is going to primarily eat space. That's not really what Jay Ratliff does in Dallas, for example. Haynesworth could end up being a one-gap NT. That decision probably hasn't been made yet.

Kris Jenkins is a little bit bigger than Haynesworth, and Shaun Rogers is about his size, they both went from 4-3 DT to 3-4 NT and flourished. The difference with Haynesworth is that instead of coming out of the game on passing downs, he may just slide outside the Guard.

I don't disagree with anything that you said about how Haynesworth can be used here. He's our starting NT and hopefully Haslett will find a way to make him be more than just a space eater. But still, my point is that, whatever his desire (to stay or be traded) Haynesworth would have best been served by showing up and participating in minicamp (at minimum).

I don't think we should automatically beleive every single report out there about Haynesworth being disgruntled, but when those reports keep coming in, you can't just ignore them. I realize that sometimes guys in the media have agendas, but they don't just make stuff up. If they did, they'd lose all credibility. I know some people will say that guys like JLC have none anyways, but thats simply not true. They do have credibility, which is why they have their jobs. Its just that certain people who dont like what they're reporting, claim that they have none.

My hope is that, regardless of how Haynesworth feels, he silences all his detractors by showing up for mandatory team activities in great shape, and, when he's here, he does everything he's asked and dominates. That said, i think its very possible that he shows up out of shape and unmotivated. I've yet to read anything indicating he's currently working out very hard. One would think that, if Haynesworth was, his agent would be getting the word out as a way to improve his client's image. For the entire offseason, every single media outlet I can think of has painted Haynesworth (rightly or wrongly) in a negative light. Either there is truth to alot of these reports or Chad Speck simply isnt doing his job.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I don't think we should automatically beleive every single report out there about Haynesworth being disgruntled, but when those reports keep coming in, you can't just ignore them. I realize that sometimes guys in the media have agendas, but they don't just make stuff up. If they did, they'd lose all credibility. I know some people will say that guys like JLC have none anyways, but thats simply not true. They do have credibility, which is why they have their jobs. Its just that certain people who dont like what they're reporting, claim that they have none.

Fair points in here. However, what I also see is that this is a topic that has been overhyped by this media, and in order to keep the hype up a lot of these reporter keep regurgitating the same story in a different way. I think people need to have a bit of common sense with overhyped story, because that what they are, overhyped. There may be some truth to it, but often the truth doesn't sell, the overhype/exaggerated does, especially when it comes to polarizing players (for instance I think the same thing would happen if this was Clinton Portis).

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

My hope is that, regardless of how Haynesworth feels, he silences all his detractors by showing up for mandatory team activities in great shape, and, when he's here, he does everything he's asked and dominates. That said, i think its very possible that he shows up out of shape and unmotivated. I've yet to read anything indicating he's currently working out very hard. One would think that, if Haynesworth was, his agent would be getting the word out as a way to improve his client's image. For the entire offseason, every single media outlet I can think of has painted Haynesworth (rightly or wrongly) in a negative light. Either there is truth to alot of these reports or Chad Speck simply isnt doing his job.

I think it be ridiculously stupid for Haynesworth to show up out of shape and not ready to play. He has been a successful player in the past, and you're right, if he doesn't then his agent and whoever his people are, are not doing their jobs. I still think that Haynesworth has always been painted in a negative light, and that will never go away (see Randy Moss, TO, etc., etc.). No matter what he does, people will always criticize him. And honestly, that's where I think his mistake is, he (or his agent) needs to be aware of this negativity. But also fans need to be aware of this negativity painted by the media, as I said overhyped/exaggerated/negativity sells.

[Ruhskins]

I think this story needs to die down until mandatory camp. Otherwise the same thing will happen over and over again, bitter girlfriends will continue to bitch about Haynesworth, people in the middle will try to argue both sides, the pro-Haynesworth people will continue to defend him, and the people that are sick of this story and believe this is overhype will continue to do so.

[tryfuhl]

None of the reports have any actual info though. It's just being recycled over and over because there's no other real news.

Instead of a reporter really taking the time to turn the Cushing thing into a story into the dangers of young men falling into the steroids trap (unless I've missed this.. or it's still developing) they're taking the easy way out and just sweeping the shit across the floor without actually dumping it.

So because you haven't read anything indicating that he's currently working out very hard you think that it's very possible that he shows up out of shape? Man it just never ends with you does it?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

None of the reports have any actual info though. It's just being recycled over and over because there's no other real news.

Instead of a reporter really taking the time to turn the Cushing thing into a story into the dangers of young men falling into the steroids trap (unless I've missed this.. or it's still developing) they're taking the easy way out and just sweeping the shit across the floor without actually dumping it.

So because you haven't read anything indicating that he's currently working out very hard you think that it's very possible that he shows up out of shape? Man it just never ends with you does it?

thats not true. there have been several reports which site "unnamed sources close to hanyesworth." now, that's so vague that i understand why some people dismiss each one individually. however, its not like its the same story getting recycled. the THEME of the stories is recycled, but its brought up because there are new reports from these unnamed sources.

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

This is all true (most likely), but it's not like Haynesworth is the only one of the Shanahan-Haynesworth dynamic that has to earn the others' respect.

Shanahan doesn't nead to "earn" anyone's respect. His position alone should be enough to warrant respect. When I start a new job, my boss doesnt have to do anything to earn my respect. His position as my superior entitles him or her to respect from the beginning. It should be the same here. Haynesworth is a player. Shanahan is his boss. Respect should be a given. Additionally, its not like Shanahan is some career idiot quarterbacks coach handed a head coaching gig by another idiot. Shanahan's aa proven head coach that has won superbowls. So Haynesworth has all the more reason to respect him instantly.

The fact that Haynesworth is not demonstrating respect to Shanahan by doing what he's asking is just further evidence that Haynesworth is just stubbornly self-centered.

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Fair points in here. However, what I also see is that this is a topic that has been overhyped by this media...

I think it be ridiculously stupid for Haynesworth to show up out of shape and not ready to play. He has been a successful player in the past, and you're right, if he doesn't then his agent and whoever his people are, are not doing their jobs. I still think that Haynesworth has always been painted in a negative light, and that will never go away (see Randy Moss, TO, etc., etc.). No matter what he does, people will always criticize him. And honestly, that's where I think his mistake is, he (or his agent) needs to be aware of this negativity. But also fans need to be aware of this negativity painted by the media, as I said overhyped/exaggerated/negativity sells.

I agree with you on all these points, but I would also add that Haynesworth's signing a record-breaking contract makes anything he does newsworthy. If he hadn't stomped on a players face during a game and if he didnt have a history of producing at a higher level when he was in a contract year, then he wouldnt be under so much scrutiny. Because of his "celebrity," hes under more scrutiny than, say, Colt Brennan. if he does show up out of shape, it would be very stupid of him. However, if you look over his career, he's done a number of stupid things, so its not like he's earned the benefit of the doubt.

[GMScud]

If I had to predict, AH won't be here after 2010, and I imagine the departure won't be amicable.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by GMScud

If I had to predict, AH won't be here after 2010, and I imagine the departure won't be amicable.

I didnt know aobut this until 20 minutes ago. This may very well be the most likely scenario for AH and the skins.

http://http://www.nationalfootballpo...ynesworth.html

Cap and cash accounting
The other reason deals with accounting. The Redskins initially structured the bulk of the bonus money in the contract – $21 million of the $26M total – in the form of an option bonus to keep the cash and cap hit on the deal out of 2009, the last capped year of the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) and a year when, as has often been the case, the Redskins were snug against the cap.
Now that the Redskins got through 2009 into uncapped 2010, they used their contractually negotiated supersede right to turn the option into signing bonus.
And as part of the renegotiation, the Redskins added a clause allowing Haynesworth to void the contract after next season and walk away, having pocketed over $24M from the team in two years.
Haynesworth can now void the remaining years of the deal after 2010 if – and only if – he returns four-fifths of the $21M he is now receiving, or $16.8M. Of course, he’ll only do that if he finds a team willing to pay him more than that a year from now, which would require some serious tampering discussions. He likely will not have the money to void it anyway since it may be spent by this time next year.
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Under my conspiracy theory that AH wants a new contract with a new team; if he really wants it, he can have it.

So he gets paid 24 mil for 2 seasons with the skins. Not a bad pay day and he can go on to sign with another team.

Do we get a comp pick if AH voids the contract after this year and signs with another team?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Shanahan doesn't nead to "earn" anyone's respect. His position alone should be enough to warrant respect. When I start a new job, my boss doesnt have to do anything to earn my respect. His position as my superior entitles him or her to respect from the beginning. It should be the same here. Haynesworth is a player. Shanahan is his boss. Respect should be a given. Additionally, its not like Shanahan is some career idiot quarterbacks coach handed a head coaching gig by another idiot. Shanahan's aa proven head coach that has won superbowls. So Haynesworth has all the more reason to respect him instantly.

The fact that Haynesworth is not demonstrating respect to Shanahan by doing what he's asking is just further evidence that Haynesworth is just stubbornly self-centered.

Shanahan doesn't have to do anything if he doesn't care about being successful. His position gives him the power to treat his players however the heck he wants.

If he cares about more than just sustaining himself as head coach of this team, he's going to have to do more than just handle business with his superiors. He'll have to command the respect of any player he's counting on to contribute.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Shanahan doesn't have to do anything if he doesn't care about being successful. His position gives him the power to treat his players however the heck he wants.

If he cares about more than just sustaining himself as head coach of this team, he's going to have to do more than just handle business with his superiors. He'll have to command the respect of any player he's counting on to contribute.

I agree and how that starts is stop airing the private businesses of the team in the media. The Redskins really need to take a page form the Patriots operations by keeping all personal team information out of the media. The old practice of a coaches sending his players messages in the press about their play or other team related things is old and outdated. It has to stop. You get better results and the respect from the players if you talk about it with them in private, behind closed doors. Stop trying to humiliate them in the press. That is disrespectful.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I agree and how that starts is stop airing the private businesses of the team in the media. The Redskins really need to take a page form the Patriots operations by keeping all personal team information out of the media. The old practice of a coaches sending his players messages in the press about their play or other team related things is old and outdated. It has to stop. You get better results and the respect from the players if you talk about it with them in private, behind closed doors. Stop trying to humiliate them in the press. That is disrespectful.

How have the Redskins handled this wrong publicly??

Other than "we're disappointed he's not here", what has anyone from the organization said that would be humilating or disrespectful to AH??

I'm really at a loss in regard to your take.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Shanahan doesn't have to do anything if he doesn't care about being successful. His position gives him the power to treat his players however the heck he wants.

If he cares about more than just sustaining himself as head coach of this team, he's going to have to do more than just handle business with his superiors. He'll have to command the respect of any player he's counting on to contribute.

i'd say by doing exactly what he's doing, Shanahan IS commanding the respect of the team. By standing his ground and not "letting the inmates run the asylum," shanahan is ensuring that the entire team is on the same page. well, the entire team except for one bad apple. If shanahan were to cater to Haynesworth, I imagine that he'd lose the respect of other players and open himself up to more problems in the future. In this situation, there are only two possibilities - Haynesworth gets in line or the team gets rid of Haynesworth. We can't let one bad apple ruin the whole bunch.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

i'd say by doing exactly what he's doing, Shanahan IS commanding the respect of the team. By standing his ground and not "letting the inmates run the asylum," shanahan is ensuring that the entire team is on the same page. well, the entire team except for one bad apple. If shanahan were to cater to Haynesworth, I imagine that he'd lose the respect of other players and open himself up to more problems in the future. In this situation, there are only two possibilities - Haynesworth gets in line or the team gets rid of Haynesworth. We can't let one bad apple ruin the whole bunch.

By and large, you're right. I don't think there's a meaningful rift between Shanny, and any defensive player who has been kept on the roster.

I think it's safe to say that if he was here last year, we never sign Haynesworth/Hall. I don't really know too much more than that, as not feeling a player is worth $48 million in guaranteed money is different than thinking that he has to shape up if he ever wants to see the field on your watch. The distinction is critical.

[GTripp0012]

I can and will ignore the reports, so long as they are without any substance. When there is actually evidence uncovered of a rift between player and organization, I will give the problem it's due. Until then, it's not going to be a story just because NFL Total Access can lead with it, and Jason Reid can make every third post Haynesworth-related, and Matt Mosley can remind you that having Haynesworth probably cost the Redskins about three wins last year.

I'm not sure what Chad Speck can do to make this less of a story. There's no substance here. There are no facts to issue a denial on. He actually wasn't at the voluntary mini-camp. Conclusions drawn from that by over-zealous reporters really can't be controlled by the agent, I don't think.

I think he was always planning on being at the mandatory mini-camp that's upcoming, so if he misses that, well then this story has some legs. He won't miss it though. Haynesworth could have taken preventative measures against this, but how was he to know that Brett Favre would basically stay out of the limelight for four months? That's just unfair to pin on him.

[tryfuhl]

I must be on BHA's ignore list haha

[over the mountain]

its all about the money imo. AH is set to make 3.6, 5.4 and 6 something mil over the next 3 seasons respectively.

all this 3-4 and training talk is just hot air. AH thought he would be headed out of DC by now with 32 mil in his pocket and another team ready to re-sign him to another contract.

he didnt get traded. allen didnt blink. now we are in a rather odd and uncomfortable position. The new coach's initial and limited interaction with AH didnt go well. when AH does show up, i imagine its gonna be weird.