The Official Defense Has Major Issues/Fire Jim Haslett Thread

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

I got one for ya Smack!! Where are we sitting after these four games?
WAS @ PHI
GB @ WAS
IND @ WAS
WAS @ CHI

5-2...makes no difference if I pick them to win or lose...so why not pick them to win

Going into the season I thought we'd beat Dallas, lose to Houston, beat the Rams, lose to Philly, lose to GB, beat Indy (in a stunner) and beat Chicago

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

4-3...

"Dreaming of what a Carter, Golston, Haynesworth, and Orakpo d-line would have looked like in the 4-3."

I think it would have been a nightmare for an offense. Why fix whats not really even leaking?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by saden1

You want to know stats? Through 3 games the Skins have given up 1271 (423.7 avg per game), 977 passing yards (325.3 avg), and 294 yards rushing (98 avg yards) and have given up 22.3 pts a game. I don't know how these numbers can look good to you or any other sane person. Even for a beautifier like you these numbers are indefensible.

We f'ing lost to the Rams! Without their #1 receiver and #1 running back for the majority of the game and a rookie qb!

That your B game?

I don't look at per game numbers for the same reason that you don't use a VCR. Per play numbers are available these days. And regardless, I wasn't aware it was a three game season.

Quarterbacks, as a group, have had a lot of success against this defense. I think the reason is that Romo/Schaub (to a lesser extent, Bradford) are good, but I'm not trying to argue against anyone who thinks our opponents in the first three games are worse than last year's draw of NYG, STL, and DET to start 1-2. I simply don't know. I suspect it's stronger this year. I don't know.

I know it's not the scheme that's causing this.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It was Mike Zimmer-who just signed a new contract, but if he gets a promotion (i.e. assistant head coach) he could be ours. Or we could promote option 2A Bob Slowik. Either way, Shanahan's track record with DCs would say that Haslett is on a short leash. Though I don't know if it's entirely his fault. Haslett's not the one (to my knowledge) who said let's go after Maake, battle with AH, address our linebacker situation by moving Alexander to LB and Jarmon and then move him to DE, and sit arguably our second most explosive pass rushing LB in Chris Wilson.

Zimmer runs a 4-3 with Cinn and I believe he ran one with Atlanta. I don't remember what he did when he was with Dallas. Anyhow that guy was great on Hard Knocks. He's a no non sense tough SOB. But Cinn also has better personel on defense than we do so I don't see him leaving, unless it's to be a HC.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

5-2...makes no difference if I pick them to win or lose...so why not pick them to win

Going into the season I thought we'd beat Dallas, lose to Houston, beat the Rams, lose to Philly, lose to GB, beat Indy (in a stunner) and beat Chicago

Im holding on to this post!!! Im all in the cool-aid or pee pee, which ever it is!! !!!! I just found motivation baby, bring on Vick!! We're fiixing to turn the dogs loose on him!! Lets do this!!! Come on Hasslett load the wagon sugar pants!!!

[saden1]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

That your B game?

I don't look at per game numbers for the same reason that you don't use a VCR. Per play numbers are available these days. And regardless, I wasn't aware it was a three game season.

Quarterbacks, as a group, have had a lot of success against this defense. I think the reason is that Romo/Schaub (to a lesser extent, Bradford) are good, but I'm not trying to argue against anyone who thinks our opponents in the first three games are worse than last year's draw of NYG, STL, and DET to start 1-2. I simply don't know. I suspect it's stronger this year. I don't know.

I know it's not the scheme that's causing this.

No need to display the big guns...my C and B game are killing whatever game you've been fielding. With a post peppered with lots of don'ts you sure do a lot of knows.

I'll give you a clue, It's not the scheme, it's the coach! Let's hope he makes adjustments so that the 16 game season doesn't look like the 3 game season.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Zimmer runs a 4-3 with Cinn and I believe he ran one with Atlanta. I don't remember what he did when he was with Dallas. Anyhow that guy was great on Hard Knocks. He's a no non sense tough SOB. But Cinn also has better personel on defense than we do so I don't see him leaving, unless it's to be a HC.

Zimmer will definitely be an HC favorite. The Cowboys job is basically is if Wade is tossed...and Cowher doesn't want it (maybe even if Cowher doesn't)

Zim ran the 3-4 in Dallas because that's what Parcells wanted so he does have some experience with it

[saden1]

What are the odds we hire a defensive consultant by mid season? I'm putting it at 50/50.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by saden1

What are the odds we hire a defensive consultant by mid season? I'm putting it at 50/50.

Are there any calling bingo or playing canasta available?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Are there any calling bingo or playing canasta available?

Most likely fly fishing though I wouldn't bet on their preferred method of leisure.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Zimmer will definitely be an HC favorite. The Cowboys job is basically is if Wade is tossed...and Cowher doesn't want it (maybe even if Cowher doesn't)

Zim ran the 3-4 in Dallas because that's what Parcells wanted so he does have some experience with it

Mike Zimmer is a very good coach, but he doesn't scare as much as say...Jon Gruden. Hopefully Gruden ends up in Cleveland.

[Redskin Jim]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I largely agree. We still cant get off the field w/o the benefit of a turnover. But I also know we had the same problem last year with a lot of the same personnel.

It's not because of scheme that we can't get off the field though. I can tell you that for certain. Our big plays against have dropped significantly as soon as we started playing a real defense. Our turnovers created are way up. Our sack production is consistent with last year.

Yards against per play is the only place things are worse than last year, and I showed in the Detroit/St. Louis direct comparison how even that number (at least vs. the rookie quarterback that YOU YOURSELF SAID WAS UNACCEPTABLE) was worse under the prior regime than the current one. It's got to get better to be a productive defense, but people asserting that the front seven scheme is a problem have proven to be full of it.

This is the biggest problem, too many losers, not enough playmakers on our team. I believe a large part of our problems are lack of talent, and hold overs from a losing tradition. Now I don't believe that Haslett is a good DC by any stretch, but he doesn't have a very deeply talented roster to work with either.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by saden1

What are the odds we hire a defensive consultant by mid season? I'm putting it at 50/50.

that's not going to happen under this regime. i think it's safe to say those days are over.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

"Dreaming of what a Carter, Golston, Haynesworth, and Orakpo d-line would have looked like in the 4-3."

I think it would have been a nightmare for an offense. Why fix whats not really even leaking?

So we can go with the trends of the rest of the NFL.

I stated this earlier in this thread. Converting DEs to starting OLBs is not the way to successfully convert to the 3-4. Carter, Rak, and Zo struggle in pass coverage. AND that is putting it lightly. Rocky and Fletch are much more adapt to coverage because they are real LB.

We will continue to struggle this year, unless our DE figure out how to play in coverage.

BTW Rak's sacks all came last year when he had his had in the dirt on the opposite side of Carter and AH.

I completely agree with you. Why did this have to change?

[SirClintonPortis]

Rak is rushing more often than not and has one year of LB experience under his belt. Its Carter who's really stinking it up.