Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Yeah he's washed up. Better for the league as a whole if he retires. That way the quality of competition across the league will remain high and he won't take a job away from an aspiring young QB.

There has been much debate [of late] as to whether McNabb should be considered in the top 100 QB's. The centerpiece of the debate centers around comparing his overall body of work with his play the last two years.

There was not a huge market offering overwhelming compensation to the Eagles for McNabb when they made the decision to trade him to the Redskins. Now, as the results of his one year here in Washington demonstrate, his value as an effective NFL QB has become muddled.

Donovan McNabb - Philadelphia Eagles Quarterback

[SirClintonPortis]

McNabb is a guy who likes to form his own clique and alienate his companions and coaches for his own self-benefit in the "public's eye", i.e in 2008 when he said "We showed our youth...".

It's just that the environment here was so horrible that Redskins players were in awe of his "leadership"(i.e some of Cooley's initial comments on McNabb way back when).

The bitch doesn't should retire a free agent and let the real, quality black QB down in Tampa should him how its done.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

McNabb is a guy who likes to form his own clique and alienate his companions and coaches for his own self-benefit in the "public's eye"

And you know this how?

i.e in 2008 when he said "We showed our youth...".

You're gonna use this^^ to get to the statement you made in your OP?

Okay.

As for the rest of your post...

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by 30gut

And you know this how?


You're gonna use this^^ to get to the statement you made in your OP?

Okay.

As for the rest of your post...

How about I bring up Hugh Douglas's comments or him blaming his defense after the Cardinals loss? Or how the entire Eagles' lockerroom gravitated towards Kolb for leadership and support?

Leaders influence others such that the others will do and/or not do certain tasks and activities. That an unknown QB who hasn't proven his technical prowess managed to snatch away the lockerroom from an "established" QB like McNabb is a bad sign.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

How about I bring up Hugh Douglas's comments or him blaming his defense after the Cardinals loss? Or how the entire Eagles' lockerroom gravitated towards Kolb for leadership and support?

Leaders influence others such that the others will do and/or not do certain tasks and activities. That an unknown QB who hasn't proven his technical prowess managed to snatch away the lockerroom from an "established" QB like McNabb is a bad sign.

You can choose to believe Hugh Douglass or whomever/whatever supports your opinion.

But, it is in fact the minority opinion when it comes to McNabb.

And there will always be a minority opinion; someone somewhere can/will find something negative to say about anyone from Favre to Marino to Brady to Manning etc.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by 30gut

You can choose to believe Hugh Douglass or whomever/whatever supports your opinion.

But, it is in fact the minority opinion when it comes to McNabb.

And there will always be a minority opinion; someone somewhere can/will find something negative to say about anyone from Favre to Marino to Brady to Manning etc.

I feel confident with my chances, even though it is a minority opinion. After all, it's only an inductive refutation. My chances of being correct relies solely on whether there is enough evidence and that said evidence actually relates to the topic of leadership, and I believe it does.

Technical prowess and leadership are not one and the same, and they are certainly not strongly correlated.

Throwing stuble jabs at his fellow teammates could have been taken the wrong way(and actually were). Considering how butthurt he was for Shanahan making embarassing comments about him in public, perhaps he should have stuck to similar principles during his earlier Philly tenure when talking about the young guys on his team or his defense.

Alienating teammates through the media certainly creates distance between him and the blamed. Yes, the jabs regarding the Eagles D are subtle, but he had the opportunity to hold himself accountable for his part in the loss but instead distracted the audience to focus on the D. Nope, not me, 'twas the D.

On a separate note, that Kolb, who is certainly not as accomplished and proven, was able to gain the favor of players over McNabb is not exactly a good sign of a supposed leader.

What McNabb does in his cries through the media is triangulation. Rather than engage in direct communication with the folks he has problems with, he brings the issue to the media and public, and then scores an "win" since the public will favor him since he's so accomplished in terms of accolades.

The situation with Kolb developing "links" of affinity with the other members of the Eagles is that McNabb failed to foster the concept of "we" with newcomers.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by 30gut

You can choose to believe Hugh Douglass or whomever/whatever supports your opinion.

But, it is in fact the minority opinion when it comes to McNabb.

And there will always be a minority opinion; someone somewhere can/will find something negative to say about anyone from Favre to Marino to Brady to Manning etc.

Not sure about that. Just listen to the Eagle players once he left Philly. Also, back when that whole TO fiasco went down, it was reported on numerous occassions that the locker room was split over TO/McNabb. I don't think he was as highly valued as you think he was. Also, another insider I know of said the same thing about the players in the locker room this past year in regards to McNabb.




Let me point some numbers out here. See a pattern here? I sure do.


1999
McNabb - 106 completions, 948 yards (12 games)
Deuce Staley - 41 receptions/294 yards (16 games)

2000
McNabb - 330 completions, 3,365 yards (16 games)
Staley- 25 receptions, 201 yards (only 5 games)


2001
McNabb -285 completions, 3,233 yards
Staley - 63 receptions, 626 yards (13 games)


2002
McNabb - 211 completions, 2,289 yards (10 games)
Staley- 51 receptions, 541 yards (16 games)
Westbrook -9 receptions, 86 yards (15 games)


2003
McNabb - 275 completions, 3,216 yards (16 games)
Staley - 36 receptions, 382 yards (16 games)
Westbrook - 37 receptions, 332 yards (15 games)

2004
McNabb - 300 completions, 3,875 yards (15 games)
Westbrook - 73 receptions, 703 yards (13 games)

2005
McNabb - 211 completions, 2,507 yards (9 games)
Westbrook - 61 receptions, 616 yards (12 games)

2006
McNabb- 180 completions, 2,647 yards (10 games)
Westbrook - 77 receptions, 699 yards (15 games)

2007
McNabb - 291 completions, 3,324 yards (14 games)
Westbrook - 90 receptions, 771 yards (15 games)

2008
McNabb - 345 completions, 3,916 yards (16 games)
Westbrook - 54 receptions, 402 yards (14 games)

[Son Of Man]

I am actually warming to the idea of picking up VY once FA starts. I see alot of positives for adding his mobility.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

I am actually warming to the idea of picking up VY once FA starts. I see alot of positives for adding his mobility.

Can't hurt to bring him in with a contract that makes sense for the team and let him compete for the job.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

I am actually warming to the idea of picking up VY once FA starts. I see alot of positives for adding his mobility.

Vince Young and Redskins mentioned in same sentence - The Early Lead - The Washington Post

[skinsfaninok]

Who else we going to get folks? VY is the best available

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Who else we going to get folks? VY is the best available

Technically he isn't available. He hasn't been released so he isn't a FA, and there are mixed reports about him being traded. I think him getting traded is definitely in the rumor mill but hasn't been authenticated by anyone of significant importance in the Tennessee organization. SS, Titans are your bull pen team, I believe, heard anything different than this?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Technically he isn't available. He hasn't been released so he isn't a FA, and there are mixed reports about him being traded. I think him getting traded is definitely in the rumor mill but hasn't been authenticated by anyone of significant importance in the Tennessee organization. SS, Titans are your bull pen team, I believe, heard anything different than this?

They plan to release him last I heard. Were holding out some hope of trading him during the draft, but the lockout made that impossible. If he is indeed released, he's definitely on our radar screen.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

They plan to release him last I heard. Were holding out some hope of trading him during the draft, but the lockout made that impossible. If he is indeed released, he's definitely on our radar screen.

Did Kyle and Vince cross paths at Texas or were they 5+ years apart?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Did Kyle and Vince cross paths at Texas or were they 5+ years apart?

Young was a true freshman during Kyle's Redshirt Senior year in 2002.