How far can Beck take us?

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by NLC1054

Get what? Fired?

And then who is Dan going to hire?

Mike's in a pretty good place right now. If Beck works out, he's a genius. If Beck doesn't, but he starts Rex and they do okay to well, he still looks good. If both of them fail, he's in position to draft his quarterback of the future in a much better draft class. Hell, he's in that position even if they do well.

If Dan fires Mike now, there ain't a coach outside of the organization that's going to want to come here. None of the big names like Gruden and Cowher, none of the up and comers. The only guy who could take over would be someone from within the organization...

And that guy would either be Has, or it would be Kyle. So nothing would change.

I'd say Mike feels comfortable regardless.

Not get fired, just lose face!!!!!!!!!!

[NLC1054]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Not get fired, just lose face!!!!!!!!!!

Lose face with who? The fans? The media? Didn't he already kind of do that with the whole McNabb fiasco?

The guy just traded a fringe Hall of Fame quarterback for the price of a Niles Paul after insinuating that he wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed, was out of shape, was lazy and was altogether miserable to work with, and then threw his support behind a third string quarterback who hasn't thrown a pass in four years as an UPGRADE at the position.

Yeah, I'd say Mike gives two dog farts about "losing face" in anyone's minds. Dude has three Super Bowl rings and is one of the winningest coaches in history, I'd say he pretty fine with his station in life.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by NLC1054

Lose face with who? The fans? The media? Didn't he already kind of do that with the whole McNabb fiasco?

The guy just traded a fringe Hall of Fame quarterback for the price of a Niles Paul after insinuating that he wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed, was out of shape, was lazy and was altogether miserable to work with, and then threw his support behind a third string quarterback who hasn't thrown a pass in four years as an UPGRADE at the position.

Yeah, I'd say Mike gives two dog farts about "losing face" in anyone's minds. Dude has three Super Bowl rings and is one of the winningest coaches in history, I'd say he pretty fine with his station in life.

Oh really? IF this guy talks up Beck anymore and the guy can't produce, he is going to come off as a retard, especially after the McNabb crap. I am getting coworkers who know I am a Skins fan asking WTF? Beck? It is a joke where the Detroit Lions have better depth at QB than we do. To be honest, I think Shanny is just trying to verbally make the best out of the situation. I mean what is he going to say? Beck sucks, deal with it. He might as well say the season is going to be a long one fellas, pack it in before game #1? We should have gone after Ponder with the first pick. We needed a young QB in the fold that might show some promise, instead we get a probable journeyman lifer. Thus far this experiment with Kerrigan is turning out to be a bust. It still is early, but damn, if you want an OLB draft an OLB, not a DE. Yeah it worked with Orakpo, but that is Orakpo. Snyder must have patience, but if Shanny keeps making boneheaded moves with the Qbs, Snyder just might go back to his old ways if Shanny doesn't get things going on a solid path. IF Beck does suck, you are looking at 2014 at the earliest til we are a contender. Rexy isn't our answer at QB either to be fair to Beck. Snyder has just as big if not bigger ego than Shanny. IF Shanny doesn't produce soon or at least gives the hint of producing soon, Snyder is going to say WTF, and take control again.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by NLC1054

Get what? Fired?

And then who is Dan going to hire?

Mike's in a pretty good place right now. If Beck works out, he's a genius. If Beck doesn't, but he starts Rex and they do okay to well, he still looks good. If both of them fail, he's in position to draft his quarterback of the future in a much better draft class. Hell, he's in that position even if they do well.

If Dan fires Mike now, there ain't a coach outside of the organization that's going to want to come here. None of the big names like Gruden and Cowher, none of the up and comers. The only guy who could take over would be someone from within the organization...

And that guy would either be Has, or it would be Kyle. So nothing would change.

I'd say Mike feels comfortable regardless.

Surely you jest when you say there aren't coaches out there who would want to come and coach the Redskins. Maybe not the "trophy name coaches" on your list, but there are probably a hundred college guys and NFL assistants/coordinators who would give up their first born child to take a head coaching job in the NFL with any team that made them a decent offer.

The only way Shanahan gets fired at the end of the year is if he goes 0-16 PLUS he testifies for the Washington City Paper in the lawsuit that Snyder filed against that paper. Other than that, he is here next year unless he quits.

And from what I have seen so far - - I did not say this could never change but from what I have seen so far - - I am not convinced that Kyle Shanahan could be an effective NFL coach next year any more than I think Vinnie Cerrato could come back and be an effective NFL GM next year.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Surely you jest when you say there aren't coaches out there who would want to come and coach the Redskins. Maybe not the "trophy name coaches" on your list, but there are probably a hundred college guys and NFL assistants/coordinators who would give up their first born child to take a head coaching job in the NFL with any team that made them a decent offer.

The only way Shanahan gets fired at the end of the year is if he goes 0-16 PLUS he testifies for the Washington City Paper in the lawsuit that Snyder filed against that paper. Other than that, he is here next year unless he quits.

And from what I have seen so far - - I did not say this could never change but from what I have seen so far - - I am not convinced that Kyle Shanahan could be an effective NFL coach next year any more than I think Vinnie Cerrato could come back and be an effective NFL GM next year.

Snyder has to be prepared for us to suck right? I mean everyone else can see the writing on the wall.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Snyder has to be prepared for us to suck right? I mean everyone else can see the writing on the wall.

I feel like this season is infinitely more likely to end in a Shanahan resignation/retirement party than any other outcome. The five year contract is inflated like a free agent deal, except it's technically "guaranteed".

But I'm sure there's a mutual understanding of expectations. If Shanahan was actually here to rebuild the franchise (like Gibbs was here to rehabilitate it), they would have started in 2010. They weren't here for that. Shanahan took this job to try to capitalize on an advantageous situation left behind by Zorn: low expectations and a boatload of talent on the roster.

A year and a half later, the franchise is in a completely different place. The talent on the roster has been pretty much wiped clean. The team isn't nearly as old as it was before. There's not too many 25 and under players to be excited about yet, but the bad contracts are all gone. Coming out of the lockout, we had a blank slate. And we used predominately a "the future is now" strategy in free agency, though we did so without mortgaging the future position (finally).

Bruce Allen is here for the long haul. Mike Shanahan though appears to be more interested in proving that he is smarter than the rest of the league (that was right on a number of players coming out of college that others missed on). Hey, if Shanahan is the genius he believes he is, this team will go ten and six, and Kellen Clemens will have a 4,000 yard passing season. Of course he's staying on board if that happens.

I mean, if we win this year, all bets are off and Hooray! for rebuilding The Right Way. If we lose this year, well, I think Shanahan is in good position to make a clean split with the organization in roughly the same long-term shape than when he took over and all he did was waste two years of Dan Snyder's not-all-that-valuable time. Life will go on.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

The Cards gave too much for Kolb. I think he will pan out, but isn't going to get Arizona to the promised land anytime soon. Beck is struggling at camp they say, and with him already getting injured isn't a good omen. I know it isn't serious, but still. The Shannys have put there reps on the line for saying this guy is the real deal and he has this happen. I'll tell you one thing, if Beck doesn't pan out and is a bust, Shanny is going to get it.

Redskins QB coach: Beck and Grossman both capable - The Insider - The Washington Post

[SmootSmack]

I think it would just be great if it's Kellen Clemens...or Ben Chappell (though considerably less likely) that emerges from this as the man at QB

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think it would just be great if it's Kellen Clemens...or Ben Chappell (though considerably less likely) that emerges from this as the man at QB

I personally don't care who the QB is as long as he has what it takes to lead this team back to glory!

[skinsfaninok]

Beck has never had a real chance

[skinsfaninok]

Bill Romanowski says “lazy” McNabb couldn’t fit with Shanahan | ProFootballTalk

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Bill Romanowski says “lazy” McNabb couldn’t fit with Shanahan | ProFootballTalk

Isn't McNabb famous for those hell weeks in Arizona? I'm sorry, I mean I'm looking for reasons why McNabb failed in DC, but I'm not about to pin laziness on him just so we can look righteous.

If I had to guess I'd stay stubbornness was most most likely the biggest culprit. This is McNabb we're talking about here. Not Dan late night at the cabana club Marino.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Isn't McNabb famous for those hell weeks in Arizona? I'm sorry, I mean I'm looking for reasons why McNabb failed in DC, but I'm not about to pin laziness on him just so we can look righteous.

If I had to guess I'd stay stubbornness was most most likely the biggest culprit. However this is McNabb we're talking about here. Not Dan late night at the cabana club Marino.

He also said on JIM ROME that "Mcnabb may not have been smart enough"

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

He also said on JIM ROME that "Mcnabb may not have been smart enough"

Why is it that the guys coming to our defense are the Bill Romanowski's of the world. Why can't we get Jaws, Joe Montana, Steve Young, Troy Aikman, Tom Jackson, someone, ANYONE that isn't a humongous blowhard.

Heck we might as well have Jose Canseco speak up for us at this point

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Why is it that the guys coming to our defense are the Bill Romanowski's of the world. Why can't we get Jaws, Joe Montana, Steve Young, Troy Aikman, Tom Jackson, someone, ANYONE that isn't a humongous blowhard.

Heck we might as well have Jose Canseco speak up for us at this point

Dirtbag:

Maybe we could get Terrell Owens to do a Q&A for the Warpath. That might be fun...