2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

[12thMan]

I love, love this pick. Awesome! Let's go!

[Chico23231]

Whoops: Mitt Romney introduces Paul Ryan as "next President" - NBC12.com - Richmond, VA News, Weather, Traffic & Sports

smh...poor mitt

[Chico23231]

Romney walks back apparent Bolling endorsement | Richmond Times-Dispatch

mitt just cant help himself

[GusFrerotte]

Oh Boy yippie ki yeah!!!!!!! You have two candidates who have the same basic outlook on monetary policy as well as foreign policy, although Romney is just frothing at the mouth to bomb Iran!! Niether candidate has even touched on the fact that in 2015 a full 50% of our debt is coming due, along with 50% of the UK's debt. Most W European nations are facing having to cough up between 30-35% of their debt. What is the current debt $15.78 trillion now and climbing? You can shut down the entire federal govt down tomorrow, tax the one percenters a full 100%, and raise taxes, along with tariffs, through 2015 and we still would be screwed by at least 2 trillion. Meanwhile under the guise of terrorism and the CIA instigated "Arab Spring" that lets Al Qaeda(another CIA brainchild) and extremists take over the ME, our nation is becoming a police state slowly but surely. But my oh my all those defense contractors will be making gazillions out of the next mess. Either way we are ****ed!!!!!! We need to quit strangling business, but reregulate the financial sector, but niether candidate really talks about that. Romney talks about more ****ing tax cuts, but without a congruent amount of budget slashing, this only will lead to us growing the debt.

[GusFrerotte]

Cutting taxes or raising taxes isn't the problem. It is the massive wasteful budget and our debt. Whoever wins in November has to deal with the fact that up to 50% of our debt comes due in 2015. We will either have a deflationary disaster or a hyperinflationary one(most likely scenario) along with a big, nasty, war. What do you think the bigger picture is with the Syrian "crisis"? Hillary basically told our NATO allies at the conference on the ME that is basically is war or the US and Europe going down the tubes. We can't pay our debt, so we are going to screw over our creditors by making our money next to worthless, and go to war. The road to Tehran goes through Damascus as the neocons say, so that is probably what is going to happen when they hyperinflate the dollar. The very fact that both candidates will follow this path makes this election a totally moot issue. With both candidates, the middle and lower classes of this country will be reduced to serfs. The people will be stuck with lower wages, less benefits, and crappy healthcare, while the manufacturing sector will continue to be shipped to Asia or if manufacturing is revived in the US, you will see the unions busted for good. A healthy economy can't function when everyone is working minimum wage type jobs at Walmart or Piggly Wigglies.

[That Guy]

trickle down doesn't work. yes, if you give someone an extra 20 million a year he might hire 1-2 more people, but most of the extra money just goes into savings.

if trickle down did work, cut the tax rate to 5% and let everyone pay higher wages :P. It'd be like rome, you'd have the super super rich (that'd supress wages) and the mass of working poor/lower middle class.

our "job creators" like matt damon, david letterman, stephen colbert etc aren't making jobs. most small business owners aren't in the 1% and that's where most of the jobs actually are. (and i think david letterman is still GETTING 250k a year from the government for farm subsidies... our system is awesome!)

if you want more jobs, lower the cost of entry for small businesses. That's completely seperate from individual tax rates, and most big corps generally want to raise the barriers for entry to keep competition out.

I just see a huge divide between what the GOP says they want to do (create jobs) and what they're actually trying to do (consolidate power/wealth for the incredibly short-sided/self interested).

[12thMan]

FL, PA, OH, and IA are among the oldest populations in the country. Before the Ryan pick Romney was trailing Obama in all of those states. I think PA is definitely off the table now. Florida with it's mix of Latino and seniors has gotten significantly more difficult for Romney.

[Chico23231]

When I went to go see James Carville speak in late spring when asked what would be the smartest pick for Mitt at VP, Carville didnt hesitate, Paul Ryan. He said it was an easy choice and a very smart pick. I tend to agree and think it will bring independents over.

[Chico23231]

My problem with Obama has been a lack of an aggressive plan to confront the economy. Off the top of your head, name his stratedies? Stimulus and Cut the Bush tax cut for the wealthy. Nothing really after that. I think the Stimulus impact was limited...but we need something else. I really dont see a plan in place or for the future. I like several things Obama has accomplished: most, not all of the health care plan, out of iraq and killed major terrorists including the big guy, and his approach to Egypt and Libya. But I think he has missed opportunites on the economy, and this probably gonna cost him the election.

[mlmpetert]

President Obama:

I/we will not rest…

• – until we are succeeding in generating the jobs this economy needs.
• – until businesses are investing again, businesses are hiring again.
• – until we build an economy that‘s ready for America’s future.
• – until every American who is ready and able finds a job.

President Obama:

What Has Obama Done Since He Filed Re-election Papers | TheBlaze.com

[MTK]

Romney has little to no chance.

[Dirtbag59]

See mlmPert gets me. The truth is people move in and out of the top 1 percent all the time. It's not like there's a huge group of people that have a permanent spot among the financial elite. And the biggest surprise is in this top 1 percent you have teachers, secretaries, truck drivers, child care workers, nurses. It's not just corporate fat cats that think of ways to fleece people out of their hard earned money, though there is a healthy amount of lawyers .

The Top 1 Percent: What Jobs Do They Have? - NYTimes.com

[MTK]

Romney in a landslide?

Hilarious.

[12thMan]

Forced by the GOP House? You mean the least productive Congress since the 40s? You mean the House that passed only 80 friggin bills in 2011? Voted to repeal Obamacare 33 times! and renamed more than a dozen post offices?

If we had some adults on the other side of the aisle your criticism would be valid.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Forced by the GOP House? You mean the least productive Congress since the 40s? You mean the House that passed only 80 friggin bills in 2011? Voted to repeal Obamacare 33 times! and renamed more than a dozen post offices?

If we had some adults on the other side of the aisle your criticism would be valid.

Adults understand that just because you have checks doesn't mean you still have money.