Redskins Lions postgame

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I knew the minute the ball came out it was a fumble. Its all on him to know the rules and not blame it on being a stupid rule for not knowing. With us wanting to portect him more and him knowing he needs to slide more he should have known the rule. Maybe take the time to read sliding rules while your between interviews.

Relax, he knows the rule, he just doesn't agree with it.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

RG3 blames “stupid rule” for his fumble: “It just sucks” | ProFootballTalk

Learn to slide feet first, and the rule becomes a moot point.

[Bucket]

We are still a middle of the road team, and will end that way at the end of the season. We didn't exactly make huge improvements to our defense because of the cap issues. We are still haunted by the Snyder Era, and we have a questionable Defensive Cord.

I will say, Barnett looked really good yesterday in the second half. Fletcher was played well on the earlier downs, but I wouldn't be surprised if Barnett was on the field more then Fletcher.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Bucket

We are still a middle of the road team, and will end that way at the end of the season. We didn't exactly make huge improvements to our defense because of the cap issues. We are still haunted by the Snyder Era, and we have a questionable Defensive Cord.

I will say, Barnett looked really good yesterday in the second half. Fletcher was played well on the earlier downs, but I wouldn't be surprised if Barnett was on the field more then Fletcher.

Your saying that as if he has sold the team and we are recovering.

[Green Monk Machine]

Something has to be shaken up on defense. 0-3 and this whole team is virtually healthy. Has and Kyle need to change things up or we need to change from them.

On to Oakland and to accomplish the impossible task of being 10-6 to make our only chance of getting to the playoffs by winning the division.

[calia]

Originally Posted by Green Monk Machine

Something has to be shaken up on defense. 0-3 and this whole team is virtually healthy. Has and Kyle need to change things up or we need to change from them.

On to Oakland and to accomplish the impossible task of being 10-6 to make our only chance of getting to the playoffs by winning the division.

I have to disagree with that -- we have lost Keenan Robinson (Fletcher's heir apparent), Phillip Thomas (safety depth), Richard Crawford (expected to be our returner and in the CB mix), and Adam Carriker (arguably our best or second best DL) to injury. All players on D expected to contribute, some significantly, and D is where we are struggling the most right now. On a team that has been cash-strapped because of the cap hit and otherwise mis-managed until relatively recently that consequently has little depth, these injuries loom pretty large.

[Green Monk Machine]

Originally Posted by calia

I have to disagree with that -- we have lost Keenan Robinson (Fletcher's heir apparent), Phillip Thomas (safety depth), Richard Crawford (expected to be our returner and in the CB mix), and Adam Carriker (arguably our best or second best DL) to injury. All players on D expected to contribute, some significantly, and D is where we are struggling the most right now. On a team that has been cash-strapped because of the cap hit and otherwise mis-managed until relatively recently that consequently has little depth, these injuries loom pretty large.

Dude, every team will have a few guys out or hurt. I hear ya on the cash strapped but we still have decent depth and have been without Jenkins and Jackson who are top rotation guys. We are virutually too healthy right now- the entire offense is in tact even the OL. Robinson was a backup, Crawford hoped for more but likely not a week 1 starter on Def, Carriker gone but we knew that would happen, Thomas wasn't going to start. So again, I think the count is 21/22 starters playing, and yet we are 0-3.

Something needs to be done. At the end of the season nobody will think the bad start could have been avoided if Carriker, Craw, Thomas, or Robinson were healthy. It's also worth mentioning Barnett, Kehl, and the rookie Fl St OLb that has slipped my mind as better players than Robinson who has high hopes but struggled last year to find the field.

Idk why we aren't tackling but I feel the majority of blame goes to Haslett and Kyle as to we aren't putting guys in roles to be effective to at least be 1-2.

[skinsfan69]

People keep mentioning the cap as an excuse. Who's to say that the player/players we bring in here can perform? We have free agents right now that aren't performing. How's Cofield and Bowen performing? What about Josh Wilson? I really hope we add a couple pieces but I really don't want to see the 2000 Redskins ever again. Oh.. how's Mike Wallace working out for Miami? Or Mario Williams for Buffalo? If any fan base should know that free agency is not the way to improve a team it's us.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

People keep mentioning the cap as an excuse. Who's to say that the player/players we bring in here can perform? We have free agents right now that aren't performing. How's Cofield and Bowen performing? What about Josh Wilson? I really hope we add a couple pieces but I really don't want to see the 2000 Redskins ever again. Oh.. how's Mike Wallace working out for Miami? Or Mario Williams for Buffalo? If any fan base should know that free agency is not the way to improve a team it's us.

Bowen and Cofoeld are solid, now if you want to talk about the back end or some other pieces like the insane amount of money Morgan is making I'll bite but Bowen and Cofield aren't going to get much play from me.

I am surprised at the way they have been using Rak and his problems making plays at the line.

Will be interesting to watch how much playing time Jackson gets once he comes back. There should be a good rotation of Jackson and Rak depending on the situation.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

People keep mentioning the cap as an excuse. Who's to say that the player/players we bring in here can perform? We have free agents right now that aren't performing. How's Cofield and Bowen performing? What about Josh Wilson? I really hope we add a couple pieces but I really don't want to see the 2000 Redskins ever again. Oh.. how's Mike Wallace working out for Miami? Or Mario Williams for Buffalo? If any fan base should know that free agency is not the way to improve a team it's us.

On the other hand, how's Peyton Manning fairing? Wes Welker? Reggie Bush? (Before his minor injury) I hear Ahmad Bradshaw had a pretty good game with Indy yesterday. The difference between what you're saying and what others are saying is that the cap penalty kept the 'skins from not only acquiring upgrades where the team needs obvious upgrades, but to have the money to take the cap hit on the players that aren't really working out for the team, but are forced to play since the 'skins had no other options. It isn't about having millions of dollars to sign big name over the hill stars to multi-year multi-million dollar contracts.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

On the other hand, how's Peyton Manning fairing? Wes Welker? Reggie Bush? (Before his minor injury) I hear Ahmad Bradshaw had a pretty good game with Indy yesterday. The difference between what you're saying and what others are saying is that the cap penalty kept the 'skins from not only acquiring upgrades where the team needs obvious upgrades, but to have the money to take the cap hit on the players that aren't really working out for the team, but are forced to play since the 'skins had no other options. It isn't about having millions of dollars to sign big name over the hill stars to multi-year multi-million dollar contracts.

Well bringing in a Peyton Manning and having him throw to Welker is not a good example to use. My point was this, the bad has outweighed the good when it's come to free agency. Especially around here. Would you agree with that? We need to sign some guys, I just don't want to see what we saw in 2000 just cause we have cap space.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well bringing in a Peyton Manning and having him throw to Welker is not a good example to use. My point was this, the bad has outweighed the good when it's come to free agency. Especially around here. Would you agree with that? We need to sign some guys, I just don't want to see what we saw in 2000 just cause we have cap space.

Um, yes, it's a very good example to use, lol!

Let me repeat. The cap penalty did more than just handicap the 'skins ability to sign free agents. It prevented the 'skins from being able to dump players that would have cost the team a certain amount of cap hit to dump. Instead, the team has to keep those players and play them. So, the hope is, the players will learn through continuity and improve on their play - how's that working out so far?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Um, yes, it's a very good example to use, lol!

Let me repeat. The cap penalty did more than just handicap the 'skins ability to sign free agents. It prevented the 'skins from being able to dump players that would have cost the team a certain amount of cap hit to dump. Instead, the team has to keep those players and play them. So, the hope is, the players will learn through continuity and improve on their play - how's that working out so far?

Like who? D. Hall? He's playing for like a million dollars this year. Pretty good rate for a starting corner...and say what you want about D. Hall, but he's our best corner, he played a good game yesterday. Now Josh Wilson is another story...and btw...he was a free agent! How would you grade that signing? Did it pan out? I'd say probably not.

[los panda]

griff's preseason is almost over.

rob jackson and jarvis jenkins will be back soon.

we'll be alright.

what's the word on tanard jackson? did he apply/reapply?

[skinsfaninok]

no now if we can trade Cousins for Joe Haden then yes